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Maynoothman
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I know that this is a stupid question: but on the Feast of all Saints who reads out the Litany of the Saints - It is the celebrant right?
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Cor_ad_Cor
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Anywhere I’ve been, it was the cantor (sometimes with choir) since it’s usually sung. I believe the rubrics provide leeway.
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rondirect
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At masses I have been at, the Litany of the Saints is usually sung by a cantor and choir. However, it is not mandatory that it be said or sung on this Solemnity.
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FrDavid96
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I checked the Roman Missal.
There’s no indication that the Litany of the Saints is used on All Saints Day (at least not during the Mass). So, the answer is that no one reads it.
There’s no indication that the Litany of the Saints is used on All Saints Day (at least not during the Mass). So, the answer is that no one reads it.
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FrDavid96
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As I wrote earlier, there is no indication in the Roman Missal that the Litany of the Saints is used at Mass on All Saints Day. It could certainly be prayed outside of Mass; for example, during Exposition of the Most Blessed Sacrament would be a truly fitting place on All Saints Day.
Have you found any such rubrics that it is used during Mass on All Saints? Is it perhaps indicated in some place other than the Roman Missal?
If the Litany is indeed prayed outside of Mass, the question of “who reads it?” would depend, of course, on the context.
Have you found any such rubrics that it is used during Mass on All Saints? Is it perhaps indicated in some place other than the Roman Missal?
If the Litany is indeed prayed outside of Mass, the question of “who reads it?” would depend, of course, on the context.
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Maynoothman
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The celebrant is not being much help. He said it can be sung if I want, or have a student lead it if I want, or he can read it if I want. . I asked what was liturgically acceptable and he just shrugged and said I could do whatever. . .
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At what point in the mass does the priest what this to be done? Although, like Fr. David said, there is no indication that the litany is said during this solemnity. But, does that mean it is then also forbidden? Things that are forbidden are spelled out for us to follow, e.g. “The Gloria is not sung on Sundays during Lent.”The celebrant is not being much help. He said it can be sung if I want, or have a student lead it if I want, or he can read it if I want. . I asked what was liturgically acceptable and he just shrugged and said I could do whatever. . .
I bring this up because you can suggest that it be sung during offertory or communion. Actually, some planning guides suggest it. May I also suggest that, after years of experience, do not question a priest if something is “liturgically acceptable.” You will just put him on the defensive and you will get a shrug and a “whatever” or even worse.
Don’t fret over this. What help do you what from the priest that you say he "is not being much help? He already said “do whatever.” Go with it…do whatever!
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FrDavid96
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That doesn’t quite apply.At what point in the mass does the priest what this to be done? Although, like Fr. David said, there is no indication that the litany is said during this solemnity. But, does that mean it is then also forbidden? Things that are forbidden are spelled out for us to follow, e.g. “The Gloria is not sung on Sundays during Lent.”
I bring this up because you can suggest that it be sung during offertory or communion. Actually, some planning guides suggest it. May I also suggest that, after years of experience, do not question a priest if something is “liturgically acceptable.” You will just put him on the defensive and you will get a shrug and a “whatever” or even worse.
Don’t fret over this. What help do you what from the priest that you say he "is not being much help? He already said “do whatever.” Go with it…do whatever!
First, the Church’s Liturgy simply doesn’t work that way. We follow the text and the rubrics. So to answer your question: yes, the fact that it isn’t mentioned does indeed mean that it’s forbidden. We cannot add to the Mass according to individual whims.
Second, the Litany of the Saints is a part of the Church’s formal Liturgy. It is not merely popular piety, but the Church has an established format (albeit one that may be slightly varied) and norms for using it.
The Litany of the Saints is part of the liturgies for Baptism (especially at the Easter Vigil) and Ordinations, and other solemn moments in the Church’s Liturgy. It is not acceptable in liturgical matters to “mix-and-match” by taking elements of one and inserting them into another. Again, we follow the text and the rubrics as the Church has articulated them.
Having said that: in my personal opinion, I see nothing wrong with composing a hymn based on the Litany of the Saints (there is certainly ample precedent for doing this). I think it would be perfectly acceptable. However, in such a case it would not be the Litany of the Saints as such, instead it would be a hymn.
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Thank you. The above part of your post is what I was referring to as an answer to the posters original question. That’s why I asked where the priest expects this to be done.Having said that: in my personal opinion, I see nothing wrong with composing a hymn based on the Litany of the Saints (there is certainly ample precedent for doing this). I think it would be perfectly acceptable. However, in such a case it would not be the Litany of the Saints as such, instead it would be a hymn.
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