Careful, for some said Augustine was a switch hitter, batting from both sides of this plate .He said by believing we eat, “leave your teeth and bellies behind”. The bible also says we are His temple, and does not allude to RP as Him getting inside us . He tabernacles in us by regeneration, by faith, the gift of God.
Augustine was quite clear regarding his belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
"That Bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God IS THE BODY OF CHRIST. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, IS THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. Through that bread and wine the Lord Christ willed to commend HIS BODY AND BLOOD, WHICH HE POURED OUT FOR US UNTO THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS." (Sermons 227)
"The Lord Jesus wanted those whose eyes were held lest they should recognize him, to recognize Him in the breaking of the bread [Luke 24:16,30-35]. The faithful know what I am saying. They know Christ in the breaking of the bread. For not all bread, but only that which receives the blessing of Christ, BECOMES CHRIST'S BODY." (Sermons 234:2)
"What you see is the bread and the chalice; that is what your own eyes report to you. But what your faith obliges you to accept is that THE BREAD IS THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THE CHALICE [WINE] THE BLOOD OF CHRIST." (Sermons 272)
"How this 'And he was carried in his own hands'] should be understood literally of David, we cannot discover; but we can discover how it is meant of Christ. FOR CHRIST WAS CARRIED IN HIS OWN HANDS, WHEN, REFERRING TO HIS OWN BODY, HE SAID: 'THIS IS MY BODY.' FOR HE CARRIED THAT BODY IN HIS HANDS." (Psalms 33:1:10)
"Was not Christ IMMOLATED only once in His very Person? In the Sacrament, nevertheless, He is IMMOLATED for the people not only on every Easter Solemnity but on every day; and a man would not be lying if, when asked, he were to reply that Christ is being IMMOLATED." (Letters 98:9)
"Christ is both the Priest, OFFERING Himself, and Himself the Victim. He willed that the SACRAMENTAL SIGN of this should be the daily Sacrifice of the Church, who, since the Church is His body and He the Head, learns to OFFER herself through Him." (City of God 10:20)
"By those sacrifices of the Old Law, this one Sacrifice is signified, in which there is a true remission of sins; but not only is no one forbidden to take as food the Blood of this Sacrifice, rather, all who wish to possess life are exhorted to drink thereof." (Questions on the Heptateuch 3:57)
"Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator is OFFERED for them, or when alms are given in the church." (Ench Faith, Hope, Love 29:110)
"But by the prayers of the Holy Church, and by the SALVIFIC SACRIFICE, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. FOR THE WHOLE CHURCH OBSERVES THIS PRACTICE WHICH WAS HANDED DOWN BY THE FATHERS that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the Sacrifice itself; and the Sacrifice is OFFERED also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, the works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death." (Sermons 172:2)
"...I turn to Christ, because it is He whom I seek here; and I discover how the earth is adored without impiety, how without impiety the footstool of His feet is adored. For He received earth from earth; because flesh is from the earth, and He took flesh from the flesh of Mary. He walked here in the same flesh, AND GAVE US THE SAME FLESH TO BE EATEN UNTO SALVATION. BUT NO ONE EATS THAT FLESH UNLESS FIRST HE ADORES IT; and thus it is discovered how such a footstool of the Lord's feet is adored; AND NOT ONLY DO WE NOT SIN BY ADORING, WE DO SIN BY NOT ADORING." (Psalms 98:9)So which part of “This IS my body”, “This IS my blood” that you did not understand?Uh oh…Call the Pope, I think you guys got this one wrong. It just hit me…When Jesus was on Earth, he took the bread, broke it and said "take, eat, this is my body, broken for you. And poured the wine and said Take, drink, this is my blood, shed for you for the forgiveness of sin. He passed around bread and wine. He didn’t hack off one of his limbs and pass it around. It was symbolic. See. Will somebody call the Pope and let him know, you got it all wrong. Gimme the number, I’ll call him!
When they were asked if they will leave too , their answer did not indicate that they believed contrary to what the others believed. They were Jews same as those who have been following Jesus but left. They did not get Jesus either that is why all they could say was “To whom shall we go?’ That’s like saying if there is any other credible Rabbi out there they would have given it a shot. But the thing is they knew that Jesus had the “words of eternal life”.
Eat my flesh is simply that. Eat my flash. If Jesus was speaking figuratively, He would have been speaking figuratively in the manner of the Jews of His time. And the figurative meaning is the one I have already explained. So no, it definitely IS not figurative .
Who is it?Uh oh…Call the Pope, I think you guys got this one wrong. It just hit me…When Jesus was on Earth, he took the bread, broke it and said "take, eat, this is my body, broken for you. And poured the wine and said Take, drink, this is my blood, shed for you for the forgiveness of sin. He passed around bread and wine. He didn’t hack off one of his limbs and pass it around. It was symbolic. See. Will somebody call the Pope and let him know, you got it all wrong. Gimme the number, I’ll call him!
Uh oh…Call the Pope, I think you guys got this one wrong. It just hit me…When Jesus was on Earth, he took the bread, broke it and said "take, eat, this is my body, broken for you. And poured the wine and said Take, drink, this is my blood, shed for you for the forgiveness of sin. He passed around bread and wine. He didn’t hack off one of his limbs and pass it around. It was symbolic. See. Will somebody call the Pope and let him know, you got it all wrong. Gimme the number, I’ll call him!
We’re getting Close to What Christ Said, Did, all In Sacred Scripture: the Missing Words HERE are REAL PRESENCE = “Body and Blood”".Uh oh…Call the Pope, I think you guys got this one wrong. It just hit me…When Jesus was on Earth, he took the bread, broke it and said "take, eat, this is my body, broken for you. And poured the wine and said Take, drink, this is my blood, shed for you for the forgiveness of sin. He passed around bread and wine. He didn’t hack off one of his limbs and pass it around. It was symbolic. See. Will somebody call the Pope and let him know, you got it all wrong. Gimme the number, I’ll call him!
Ref: Mass of The Early Christians; Mike Aquilina, Scott Hahn (Each major Convert Bible Experts)
Actually, those that left understood Jesus perfectly but did not want to take Him at His word. They did not accept as did the disciples that Jesus has the words of everlasting life. Much like your self.
So let me get this, you are saying that Jesus is indeed saying: if you attack me with calumny you will have everlasting life? So therefore, if you deny Jesus you will have everlasting life? How about you start that now since one must live by what one believes, eh?
Yes, they must have been pretzels shaped into a lamb.Jews eat symbolic lambs for passover right?
Catholics believe that there was a first man and first woman, our parents, who "transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called “original sin”. (from the Catechism).
Fair enough.
What do you mean “he **might **also say”? Does he or doesn’t he? Is he a bishop or not?
I appreciate it.
Do protestants believe in a real life Jesus Christ or is He just symbolic? Were the apostles real live people or symbolic?
Literal. No doubt about it.
:bible1: Jesus Christ said at The Last Supper: This is My Body....This is my Blood....Unless you Eat my Flesh...Drink My Blood, Ye can NOT have LIFE Within You.(Repeatedly.) (1) When did he EVER say/suggest this is a Symbol, This is A Remembrance??? (3) Why did Christ Repeat, Several Occassions, Several Times: Unless ye Eat My Flesh, Drink My Blood, Ye Can Not Have Life?
(4) Why did Jesus Christ Himself put Qualifiers on Receiving: 1Corr 11: 29: "He who Eats and Drinks Without Recognizing The Body Eats and Drinks a Judgement on himself"
(5) The Judgements is Illness or Death: 1 Corr 11: 30 ff. There Are Examples of violent Illness occurring on those who do Not Recognize Real Presence, Several continents: Japan, Nigeria, Europe, Etc., RECENT Years, Scientifically Not explainable On Medical Exam. The Church teaches Death in God, for Unworthy Receipt.
We Keep Records on Most Important Things: (The Didache, on Liturgy, c. 110 AD), The Acts of The Apostles. :bible1: And We were There, When Christ Taught, and At His Last Supper.