Literal or Symbolic?...

[The_GreyPilgrim]

Since I really got no answer to this question on the other thread I’m going to ask it here:

Did Jesus give His literal flesh or symbolic flesh for the life of the world?

Literal or symbolic?

 

[CompSciGuy]

Literal!!!

 

[Dave_Noonan]

To understand John, I think it’s better to think of these categories in terms of the “material” and “spiritual.” For John it’s always both/and.

 

[ltwin]

Literal . . .

 

[The_GreyPilgrim]

To understand John, I think it’s better to think of these categories in terms of the “material” and “spiritual.” For John it’s always both/and.

I’m asking a simple question here. And I didn’t ask for an opinion. I’m not positing a false dichotomy.

Was Jesus a spirit or was Jesus a real person? If Jesus was a real person therefore Jesus has flesh and bones.

So was that flesh that Jesus offered on the cross literal flesh or symbolic flesh?

 

[Allegra]

This question seems too easy.

 

[Lady_Marchmain]

Are you Catholic? Who do you think was that little baby, born of a virgin, in a manger in Bethlehem? Who walked and preached and ate and drank and fished, etc? Was that not a physical human person, yes,with of course flesh and bones?

 

[The_GreyPilgrim]

This question seems too easy.

It’s suppose to be.

But you’re going to get a first hand account of how protestants will completely dodge very easy questions because of the very difficult implications towards their theology that the very obvious answers will demonstrate.

 

[hn160]

I think that this comes under the Communication of the Attributes in the Person of Christ.
Christ had the Divine Nature which included: Person of the eternal Logos, Son of God and Second Person of the Holy Trinity. This Divine Nature came to earth and was born of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God. This resulted in the Personal Union - True God and True Man.
Each nature has it own essential characteristics. They are shared in the same Person. The Son of God is human because He was born, lives, grows, get tired, must eat and sleep, suffers, and dies. The Son of God is divine because He is eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing, immortal.
On the cross both God and man died for our sins, Luther said that if only a man died on the cross, he would be a poor savior.

 

[The_GreyPilgrim]

I think that this comes under the Communication of the Attributes in the Person of Christ.
Christ had the Divine Nature which included: Person of the eternal Logos, Son of God and Second Person of the Holy Trinity. This Divine Nature came to earth and was born of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God. This resulted in the Personal Union - True God and True Man.
Each nature has it own essential characteristics. They are shared in the same Person. The Son of God is human because He was born, lives, grows, get tired, must eat and sleep, suffers, and dies. The Son of God is divine because He is eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing, immortal.
On the cross both God and man died for our sins, Luther said that if only a man died on the cross, he would be a poor savior.

While I appreciate the theological lesson, you didn’t answer the question.

Did Jesus offer His literal or symbolic flesh on the cross for the life of the world?

 

[Heuchler]

“The Word became flesh.” The word didn’t appear to be flesh, it became flesh. That Word was “Christ who shares in all things with us but sin.” Unless our flesh is fake flesh, Christ had real flesh the same as us. Even after the resurrection, He still had flesh. That is why Christ told Thomas to stick your hand into my wounds so that He would know He was Jesus Christ. If that wasn’t really him with real flesh, then why could Thomas feel him. If it was a symbolic crucifxion why would he have real wounds. And when Christ (also after the resurrection) came into the room even though it was locked the Apostles thought He was a Ghost but Christ denied this. So, obviously, scripture and Christ (and the church which is the pillar and foundation of the truth) attest to Christ having real flesh.

 

[guanophore]

This question seems too easy.

It does, but Jesus said that He would give His flesh for the life of the world. That same flesh He gave them to eat at the Passover. Many Protestants believe it was symbolic (Eucharist) so it follows that He only gave his “symbolic” flesh and blood on the cross.

 

[Lady_Marchmain]

Grey Pilgrim,

Are you just jerking us around or what? Several people gave sincere and intelligent answers to your questions, and you always respond that you are not asking for an opinion, and you are going to teach us a lesson, as if you are offended. Are you playing a game or what? Say what you mean of discontinue this thread.

 

[Heuchler]

Grey Pilgrim,

Are you just jerking us around or what? Several people gave sincere and intelligent answers to your questions, and you always respond that you are not asking for an opinion, and you are going to teach us a lesson, as if you are offended. Are you playing a game or what? Say what you mean of discontinue this thread.

I think he’s trying to play devil’s advocate and I’m really hoping to see what type of a response he’ll try to use with my reply,

 

[The_GreyPilgrim]

I’m waiting for protestants on here to provide a simple answer to my question. So far the only ones who have given simple straight-forward answers are other Catholics.

I probably should have been more clear, that is to ask resident Catholics to not answer the question, but I also wanted to see the difference between those who are really honest about the faith and those who will either dodge the question or avoid answering it altogether.

I also want to wait for two particular protetsants, who go by the handles Radical and david ruiz, because this is a carry-over from the other thread.

I ask for your patience.

 

[guanophore]

Grey Pilgrim,

Are you just jerking us around or what? Several people gave sincere and intelligent answers to your questions, and you always respond that you are not asking for an opinion, and you are going to teach us a lesson, as if you are offended. Are you playing a game or what? Say what you mean of discontinue this thread.

He posted it on the non-Catholic forum, can you imagine why?

He already knows how Catholics will answer.

The question is perfectly valid.

 

[Heuchler]

I’m waiting for protestants on here to provide a simple answer to my question. So far the only ones who have given simple straight-forward answers are other Catholics.

I probably should have been more clear, that is to ask resident Catholics to not answer the question, but I also wanted to see the difference between those who are really honest about the faith and those who will either dodge the question or avoid answering it altogether.

I also want to wait for two particular protetsants, who go by the handles Radical and david ruiz, because this is a carry-over from the other thread.

I ask for your patience.

If you are looking for a response from them you might want to inform them of the thread through a personal message. And hopefully they will see the answers to the question on here and be convinced by at least one of them if they truly believe that radical belief. So, good luck in getting your response:thumbsup:
I’ll definitely be waiting to see itopcorn:

 

[lyrikal]

 

[The_GreyPilgrim]

If you are looking for a response from them you might want to inform them of the thread through a personal message. And hopefully they will see the answers to the question on here and be convinced by at least one of them if they truly believe that radical belief. So, good luck in getting your response:thumbsup:
I’ll definitely be waiting to see itopcorn:

I’ve already asked the question several times in the other thread. Radical basically gave me a sarcastic dodge. david ruiz has avoided it altogether so far. I mentioned to both that this thread exists so I’m waiting…

 

[Heuchler]

I’ve already asked the question several times in the other thread. Radical basically gave me a sarcastic dodge. david ruiz has avoided it altogether so far. I mentioned to both that this thread exists so I’m waiting…

Well even if they don’t answer this may cause them to question what they believe and in the end find the truth. So, we can only pray that God will move within them and give them the wisdom to discover the truth.