Of course, Jesus is the Messiah and has the words of life. What words of Spirit and life did Jesus speak? "Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day (John 6:54); “. . .unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” (John 6:53)
Welcome back. You fail to address the beginning of the discourse, where there is salvation without any “eating” except figurative, by simply believing that Jesus is the Messiah (pretty much what Peter confessed). You also have people not believing that ,from the beginning , before any true eating verses. So you have oneness with Christ by faith before any true eating verses and separation also.
does use “milk” and “solid food” as a clear metaphor, as does
Hebrews 5:12-13.
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1 Peter 2** speaks of “spiritual milk.” The passage does not say the milk is “true milk”; and neither does
1 Corinthians 3:2 or
Hebrews 5:12-13.
1 Peter 2: 1 So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. 2 Like newborn infants, long for the
pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— 3if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.
Glad we agree .Did you notice the metaphor was with eating the “word” ? Augustine says Peter ate the “word” of Jesus ,-“You have the words of life”. Peter did not say you have “the flesh of life”. Anyways, interesting the metaphors with ingesting the “word”.
The temple destroyed and raised up in three days was used as a metaphor for the Body of Jesus–which, btw, the passage explains; but something literal did happen: Jesus was raised from the dead.
Yes, good point on another metaphor .Too bad we receive no such explanation for John 6 .Some say it clicked at the last supper(for the apostles) .Others said not even then. I would say the figurative is implied and need not explaining because of the context of John 6 and the LS fit and sealed the deal for the apostles. The Remembrance was quite SPECIAL to the apostles, without any RP. They were there at the LS, and for the rest of there life really remembered it like no one else could . Remember how some recognized Jesus in the way He broke bread (nothing to do with RP) ?
The Biblical usage of milk and solid food figuratively/metaphorically, and other metaphors/parables, does not mean the Bread and Wine do not become the true Body and Blood of Christ during the Holy Eucharist.
Nope, it does not prove anything, but they can be evidences.
benedictus2 has already answered this very well:
Did not read their dialogue fully .I do know of some historians who place Augustine in a place where he quite clearly speaks of it figuratively, but also seems to indicate a literal also. I believe Radical has given explanations to clarify why it "seems " he speaks in literal terms .Most CC responses take his literal quotes and make them rule over any figurative writings, almost denying them, as in an either /or paradigm. But again ,individuals are better qualified to answer for themselves . Did you read the quotes of Augustine that depict figurative eating ?
John 6 has to do with the Real Presence of our Savior, in Spirit and Flesh and Blood.
Not if read the whole thing .Your quotes are from the “3rd round on” in the discourse .None of your quotes would have happened if in all the verses up to 38 ( round 1) the Jews /disciples really believed that Jesus was the Messiah. None of them would have been necessary. Just like when Peter responded properly nothing else was said by Jesus and it ended the discourse, and Peter says nothing about “eating”.
If you do not believe in consuming the true flesh and true blood of Christ in the Sacrament of the Eucharist; how do you fulfill the requirement to eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood-----in order to have life in you----eternal life----and be raised up on the last day?
The Last Supper tells us why we must truly eat and drink of Him, for it is the literal propitiation of this new covenant. Belief, given by the Father, in our first Creed is how we literally, spiritually truly eat The “Word”. This is another conundrum for RP, that others truly believe this Creed, have eternal life, are indwelt by His Spirit, have true communion with the Father, and Son and Holy Spirit and bear fruit, all without RP Remembrance/Communion.
