Literality of Scriptures

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Why not quantum theory or electrical theory or any other theory?
Personally, if I knew much about these, I would probably advocate them as well. I think most science receives a bad reputation (or overly good reputation). As it is; however, I am a biologist. Additionally, I do not seem to hear the same misunderstandings and utter scorn for other topics when compared to biological evolution.
Holy Father’s message acknowledges that there are “several theories of evolution” that are “materialist, reductionist and spiritualist” and thus incompatible with the Catholic faith. It follows that the message of Pope John Paul II cannot be read as a blanket approbation of all theories of evolution, including those of a neo-Darwinian provenance which explicitly deny to divine providence any truly causal role in the development of life in the universe.
It is not my goal to promote all theories of evolution, nor is it my goal to remove credit from God in the creation, development, and evolution of man, life, the universe, etc.
 
Personally, if I knew much about these, I would probably advocate them as well. I think most science receives a bad reputation (or overly good reputation). As it is; however, I am a biologist. Additionally, I do not seem to hear the same misunderstandings and utter scorn for other topics when compared to biological evolution.

It is not my goal to promote all theories of evolution, nor is it my goal to remove credit from God in the creation, development, and evolution of man, life, the universe, etc.
As you may know, Biology textbooks need to be reviewed by those competent to understand the material prior to publication. Speaking generally, it is quite clear that this theory has become a stumbling block for some. What is the average student supposed to think when the following, non-scientific conjecture appears in Biology textbooks?

“[E]volution works without either plan or purpose — Evolution is random and undirected.”
(Biology, by Kenneth R. Miller & Joseph S. Levine (1st ed., Prentice Hall, 1991), pg. 658; (3rd ed., Prentice Hall, 1995), pg. 658; (4th ed., Prentice Hall, 1998), pg. 658; emphasis in original.)

Humans represent just one tiny, largely fortuitous, and late-arising twig on the enormously arborescent bush of life.”
(Stephen J Gould quoted in Biology, by Peter H Raven & George B Johnson (5th ed., McGraw Hill, 1999), pg 15; (6th ed., McGraw Hill, 2000), pg. 16.)

“By coupling **undirected, purposeless **variation to the **blind, uncaring **process of natural selection, Darwin made theological or spiritual explanations of the life processes superfluous.”
(Evolutionary Biology, by Douglas J. Futuyma (3rd ed., Sinauer Associates Inc., 1998), p. 5.)

“Darwin knew that accepting his theory required believing in philosophical materialism, the conviction that **matter is the stuff of all existence **and that all mental and spiritual phenomena are its by-products. Darwinian evolution was not only purposeless but also heartless–a process in which the rigors of nature ruthlessly eliminate the unfit. Suddenly, humanity was reduced to just one more species in a world that cared nothing for us. The great human mind was no more than a mass of evolving neurons. Worst of all, there was no divine plan to guide us.”
(Biology: Discovering Life by Joseph S. Levine & Kenneth R. Miller (1st ed., D.C. Heath and Co., 1992), pg. 152; (2nd ed… D.C. Heath and Co., 1994), p. 161; emphases in original.)

“Adopting this view of the world means accepting not only the processes of evolution, but also the view that the living world is constantly evolving, and that evolutionary change occurs without any goals.’ The idea that **evolution is not directed **towards a final goal state has been more difficult for many people to accept than the process of evolution itself.”
(Life: The Science of Biology by William K. Purves, David Sadava, Gordon H. Orians, & H. Craig Keller, (6th ed., Sinauer; W.H. Freeman and Co., 2001), pg. 3.)

“The ‘blind’ watchmaker is natural selection. **Natural selection is totally blind **to the future. “**Humans are fundamentally not exceptional **because we came from the same evolutionary source as every other species. It is natural selection of selfish genes that has given us our bodies and brains “Natural selection is a bewilderingly simple idea. And yet what it explains is the whole of life, the diversity of life, the apparent design of life.”
(Richard Dawkins quoted in *Biology *by Neil A. Campbell, Jane B. Reese. & Lawrence G. Mitchell (5th ed., Addison Wesley Longman, 1999), pgs. 412-413.)

“Of course, no species has 'chosen’ a strategy. Rather, its ancestors ‘little by little, generation after generation’ merely wandered into a successful way of life through the action of random evolutionary forces. Once pointed in a certain direction, a line of evolution survives only if the cosmic dice continues to roll in its favor. “[J]ust by chance, a wonderful diversity of life has developed during the billions of years in which organisms have been evolving on earth.
(Biology by Burton S. Guttman (1st ed., McGraw Hill, 1999), pgs. 36-37.)

“It is difficult to avoid the speculation that Darwin, as has been the case with others, found the implications of his theory difficult to confront. “The real difficulty in accepting Darwins theory has always been that it seems to diminish our significance. Earlier, astronomy had made it clear that the earth is not the center of the solar universe, or even of our own solar system. Now the new biology asked us to accept the proposition that, like all other organisms, we too are the products of a random process that, as far as science can show, we are not created for any special purpose or as part of any universal design.”
(Invitation to Biology, by Helena Curtis & N. Sue Barnes(3rd ed., Worth, 1981), pgs. 474-475.)

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Evolution versus Creation
In my humble opinion most non-believers love the theory of evolution because they reject that their is a living Creator. Religious faith believers reject evolution because they believe in an higher existence of life they call God. It is amazing most other nations and countries do not support the evolution belief system. The majority of believers of evolution can be found in this nation only. No other country accepts the Darwin Theory because it is an inside idea of theory and concept of belief occuring only in this nation. The Biblical Creation Model nor the Evolution Model can be subjected to the normal scientific experimental processes. They are both belief systems.
Mankind has the right to choose and believe in either man producing knowledge of scientific evolution or actual religious facts recorded beginning in the Book of Genesis inspired by the Creator and written for the benefit of creation.
One thing mankind cannot explain is miracles! It is recorded in the Bible eon’s years ago and is still ongoing today!
Fact: There is no credible proof of evolution evidence that life is an accident.
Fact: The Big Bang is not credible, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Fact: That electrons and protons came from nowhere is difficult to believe, cannot be tested, observed or measured.
Reality of producing facts is more credible to mankind than a man’s theory. Everyone who has studied all life forms will agree human life from is incredibly complex, as many scientists have acknowledged.
Summation: Evolution and Creation is a’ belief ’ system! Let mankind decide which one they choose to support until actual facts prove their belief theory system is wrong!
 
Hello, I had some questions about discussing scriptures, evolution, etc. with people that take the Bible wholly literally. I recently heard about a speaker coming to a nearby town that will be discussing why evolution is not a reality, etc. I do not want to be disrespectful or argumentative, but I would like to be prepared in case there is any type of question session. While I feel as though I can defend the faith and defend evolution (I am a biologist) separately, I have never met anyone that held such fundamental views, and am unsure how to go about defending my views if the situation were to present itself. What types of arguments do fundamentalists normally present? How do you counter such arguments? I have come to realize that many people have a poor understanding of the meaning of science, so I am afraid I will just upset people or say the wrong thing and it will negate the points that I would like to make. Most of the people present will most likely not be Catholic, but sola scriptura Protestants. How do you make the case for not interpreting parts of the Bible literally, when they only tend to accept other verses from the Bible? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Well I think the best way to explain why one can interpret some parts literally and others less so is through a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures. Let me highlight for you ''4For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night. ‘’ (Ps 90:4) and others like 2:Pet 3:8. So essentially it is the understanding that God is relative in his view on time, only communicating through different time periods to help simpler men (in the evolution of idea and concepts within a language) grasp a truth. I don’t see that as wrong. Many men wrote the bible and there is a central theme and progression of events that indicate some guiding plan. The progression is why it’s the most read book ever and it’s tenacity in the human mind is unshakeable for many people. But science and religion have close connections. One is the pursuit of God through spiritual means, the other through natural. Examining who he is philosophically, vs understanding him materially, on how energy has formed into matter. Two sides of the same coin in my book. The coin being God.
 
The Lapide commentary may be followed without falling into error. And pretty well anything that St. Thomas Aquinas has put together will also preserve you from error. Numerous popes have taught this.
 
As you may know, Biology textbooks need to be reviewed by those competent to understand the material prior to publication. Speaking generally, it is quite clear that this theory has become a stumbling block for some. What is the average student supposed to think when the following, non-scientific conjecture appears in Biology textbooks?
The thing, though, is that most of these statements are true – from the perspective of science, there is no directedness to evolution (aside from the directedness toward more efficient adaptability in a given environment that’s inherent to natural selection). The exceptions are the ones that assert that “spiritual explanations [are] superfluous” or that evolution “requires philosophical materialism”, or the direct quote from Dawkins. The fact that some might forget that science is only capable of making statements about physical systems, doesn’t make these statements apply validly to the realm of metaphysics.

What’s a student to think? Simply put, that some authors can’t help overreaching, when discussing their particular field of study. 🤷
 
I agree with Gorgias. While it is obvious that some authors have crossed a line, for the most part, authors of scientific works are writing scientifically. Students should be aware of the limitations of science, and have an opportunity to connect what seems to be random (e.g., not explainable by science) with God’s plan, but this is not something a science textbook author would typically be writing about.
 
I agree with Gorgias. While it is obvious that some authors have crossed a line, for the most part, authors of scientific works are writing scientifically. Students should be aware of the limitations of science, and have an opportunity to connect what seems to be random (e.g., not explainable by science) with God’s plan, but this is not something a science textbook author would typically be writing about.
That still poses a problem. A science professor could be censured or transferred for even mentioning Intelligent Design, but this? Nothing happens as far as I know.

In our current society, knowing that each of us was created by God is too valuable to not mention. Simple Biology is not a sufficient answer.

Ed
 
I agree. Authors should not overstep their roles. I don’t know how to go about addressing such an issue though.
I also agree that we need to be aware of God, to accept Him as Creator (and much more), but this is out of bounds for science so to speak and cannot even be addressed in most classrooms (at least in public schools). This needs to be done at home, at church, in other classes (if possible), etc. If students attend a private school with a religious affiliation, then there is probably much more room for discussion; however, that is not the case for a vast majority of students.
I have issues with a lot of what society teaches and expects us to accept, but this usually happens when these “teachings” contradict Church teachings. There is a lot of this happening right now, and it is wreaking havoc on our world (though maybe this has been happening throughout history?). Evolution (in its basic form, removed from inappropriate author statements, misunderstandings, and connotations), however, does not contradict Church teaching.
 
I think the issue can be addressed by the Church in plainer terms. Especially today when some scientists have decided the Christian God is a delusion or doesn’t exist. This is widely reported on and has more than “opinion” value. God willing, I will see.

Ed
 
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