Little Old Nuns - Scare the Vatican?

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Marie5890 said:
No, that is not mis-leading.

The link I posted explained the difference between a nun and a sister.

The Vatican is not concerned about nuns.
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Oh, I think the Vatican would be very concerned about a nun who is pro-abortion. :rolleyes: Certainly the Ordinary should be!
 
Here are some choice quotes from “Sr.” Donna Quinn:
“As a peacekeeper, my goal is to enable women to enter a reproductive health clinic in dignity and without fear of being physically assaulted. … I am very worried that the publicity around my presence will lead to violations of every woman’s right to privacy and expose them to further violence.”
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A “peacekeeper” that helps escort mothers to the murder of their own child.
“I take this opportunity to urge those demonstrating against women who are patients at the Hinsdale Clinic, whom I have seen emotionally as well as physically threaten women, to cease those activities,” she said. “I would never have had to serve as a peacekeeper had not they created a war against women.”
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It’s not the war against unborn children that has started this, but those who are trying to defend the children.

Are these the “Little Old Nuns” to which you are referring Bruce?
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EcceAgnusDei said:
Her “clinic escort” uniform is like a diabolical parody of a habit.

Kyrie eleison.
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This nun wasn’t only pro abortion, although she was an abortion escort for 6 years before she finally got the boot. From johnmalloysdb.blogspot.com/2009/10/more-on-sister-donna-quinn.html:

"On Pentecost Sunday, a Roman Catholic nun, a Catholic couple married 44 years, and a long time gay civil rights activist defied the Archbishop of Chicago’s ban on giving Communion to members of the Catholic gay group the Rainbow Sash Movement.

Members of the Rainbow Sash Movement wear a rainbow sash during Mass signifying support for equal treatment of gay and lesbian people in Church and society…On Sunday, at Chicago’s Holy Name Cathedral, the sash wearers approached the altar for Communion and were denied by associate pastor Rev. Ron Kunkel. The sash wearers then returned to their pew.

Dominican Sister Donna Quinn, director of the National Coalition of American Nuns, Joseph and Barbara Parot of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) and long time Catholic gay rights activist Rick Garcia, also attended the Mass. After the sash wearers were denied, Sister Donna, the Parots and Garcia approached the altar and received Communion. To the surprise of some, including the sash wearers, the four then approached the sash-wearers and gave them a portion of their consecrated hosts ."

These kind of nuns are hardly innocent do-gooders.
 
Marie5890 said:
I would say this sweatshirt is also mis-leading

anunslife.org/resources/sister-or-nun/
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(from the above website which explains the difference between the two)

What is the difference between a nun and a sister?

The terms “nun” and “sister” are often used interchangeably. However within Roman Catholicism, there is a difference between the two. Here’s a simple summary of the differences.

A Catholic nun is a woman who lives as a contemplative life in a monastery which is usually cloistered (or enclosed) or semi-cloistered. Her ministry and prayer life is centered within and around the monastery for the good of the world. She professes the perpetual solemn vows living a life according to the evangelical counsels of poverty, celibacy, and obedience. Check out the Carmelite Nuns of Baltimore for example.

A Catholic sister is a woman** who does lives, ministers, and prays within the world. A sister’s life is often called “active” or “apostolic”** because she is engaged in the works of mercy and other ministries that take the Gospel to others where they are. She professes perpetual simple vows living a life according to the evangelical counsels of poverty, celibacy, and obedience.

It’s an important difference.

(the women depicted in the pictures are not nuns. They are sisters.)
 
Orogeny said:
My thought is that you are trying to live up to your nickname.

Peace

Tim
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My thought exactly.( And regarding another post on this thread, thank God the 60’s are dead.)

Let me state that there are many Catholic :angel1:ladies who are perfectly happy to follow in the graceful spirit of The Blessed Virgin Mary, ladies who feel no slight at all within the sisterhood and example given us of the elevated state Christ gave to His Mother (Ark Bearer, for one) and who see no need for any competition whatsoever with our dear brothers :knight1:in Christ.

“Perfect love casts out all fear,” and, I’m sure, eliminates all need to compare ourselves or our lot in life with our oft- chivalrous, brothers.:heaven::harp:
Kathryn Ann
 
Brooklyn said:
This nun wasn’t only pro abortion, although she was an abortion escort for 6 years before she finally got the boot. From johnmalloysdb.blogspot.com/2009/10/more-on-sister-donna-quinn.html:

"On Pentecost Sunday, a Roman Catholic nun, a Catholic couple married 44 years, and a long time gay civil rights activist defied the Archbishop of Chicago’s ban on giving Communion to members of the Catholic gay group the Rainbow Sash Movement.

Members of the Rainbow Sash Movement wear a rainbow sash during Mass signifying support for equal treatment of gay and lesbian people in Church and society…On Sunday, at Chicago’s Holy Name Cathedral, the sash wearers approached the altar for Communion and were denied by associate pastor Rev. Ron Kunkel. The sash wearers then returned to their pew.

Dominican Sister Donna Quinn, director of the National Coalition of American Nuns, Joseph and Barbara Parot of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) and long time Catholic gay rights activist Rick Garcia, also attended the Mass. After the sash wearers were denied, Sister Donna, the Parots and Garcia approached the altar and received Communion. To the surprise of some, including the sash wearers, the four then approached the sash-wearers and gave them a portion of their consecrated hosts ."

These kind of nuns are hardly innocent do-gooders.
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They are Judases! Anyone who is for abortion should be automatically excommunicated. These ‘nuns’ should be considered heretics. Priests must suffer terribly during such confrontations. They need support from our Church’s hierarchy. Jesus is the Good Shepherd. We must all pray about these outrages. Fasting and prayer will produce many miracles. Without prayer, we can do nothing. May the Divine Assistance remain always with us. I shall be fasting and praying about this on Wednesday from 9am to 6pm. Please feel free to join me.
 
“Little old nuns - scare the Vatican?” certainly seems to be the consensus among the media and other establishment leftists who are ignorant of all things Catholic. I have to wonder about this interpretation. These types of nun are a small, insignificant, and dying breed, much like the radical leftist priests whose absurdities ran rampant in the postconciliar age. Their problem is that they have so successfully inculcated a love of the world in those who were inclined to follow and listen to them that they cannot now replace themselves – since no one who loves the world, after all, would give up its abundant joys to live the sexless, ascetical life of a religious.

Why, then, the Vatican response? The ignorant, obsessed as they are with power dynamics, assume it must be the case that the Vatican is responding to the LCWR as it is out of fear. I doubt that diagnosis. More likely I think it is a case of excellent strategizing. The Vatican knows these types are self-destructing, so it is waited until they have walked across the stage of history and are teetering at the edge of oblivion so that it can send them off with a fitting epitaph – namely, “serious doctrinal error.” Seeya, wouldn’t wanna be ya. The real threats to the Vatican, like the traditionalists, were dealt with harshly long ago (and these measures are only now being relaxed); dinky small fry like the LCWR can be waited out.
 
sw85 said:
“Little old nuns - scare the Vatican?” certainly seems to be the consensus among the media and other establishment leftists who are ignorant of all things Catholic. I have to wonder about this interpretation. These types of nun are a small, insignificant, and dying breed, much like the radical leftist priests whose absurdities ran rampant in the postconciliar age. Their problem is that they have so successfully inculcated a love of the world in those who were inclined to follow and listen to them that they cannot now replace themselves – since no one who loves the world, after all, would give up its abundant joys to live the sexless, ascetical life of a religious.

Why, then, the Vatican response? The ignorant, obsessed as they are with power dynamics, assume it must be the case that the Vatican is responding to the LCWR as it is out of fear. I doubt that diagnosis. More likely I think it is a case of excellent strategizing. The Vatican knows these types are self-destructing, so it is waited until they have walked across the stage of history and are teetering at the edge of oblivion so that it can send them off with a fitting epitaph – namely, “serious doctrinal error.” Seeya, wouldn’t wanna be ya. The real threats to the Vatican, like the traditionalists, were dealt with harshly long ago (and these measures are only now being relaxed); dinky small fry like the LCWR can be waited out.
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Weren’t the SSPX forgiven and taken back into the fold? I think I read that somewhere.
 
BenedictFTW said:
Weren’t the SSPX forgiven and taken back into the fold? I think I read that somewhere.
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The discussions on that front are still ongoing, but the excommunications on the four bishops consecrated by Abp. Lefebvre were lifted not long ago and the restrictions on the TLM loosened considerably.
 
You know for my New testament class I recently read the book of Revelations. As I came to the part about the drunk harlot dawn on me, the “spirit of Vatican II” and the Harlot have much in common. Ready to lay down with anyone and compromise, and drunk of the blood of the Saints.
 
I am familiar with the rules I’ve been on here for a while. I wasn’t attacking Vatican II, I accept the council as valid, I may have different opinions about it, but I accept it none the less. What I was attacking was the so called “spirit of Vatican II” which basically is a new movement that has torn itself from authentic Catholicism. I never once attacked the Church so don’t even go there. I know that the in scripture the Harlot is ancient Rome, I was only stating how one can take that scripture and apply to this false movement. Just like you can apply anti-Christ to anyone who is against Christ. That is all. Geez
 
Wow! I just posted this last night and checked in to five pages of responses! What a good conversation starter 🙂 Awesome!

Bruce
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Orogeny said:
My thought is that you are trying to live up to your nickname.

Peace

Tim
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Thanks Tim…I am surprised how good of a conversation starter this would be in Catholic Answers…I chuckled when I read the number of pages posted in one day…awesome…now I have read all of it and get the time to respond…THAT backfired on me…now I created work for myself…darn it! 🙂

Bruce
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grandfather said:
Your profile says you are Catholic. It seems odd that someone would belong to a religion that he or she thinks is oppressive and teaches morality that he or she does not believe.
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Yes born Catholic…no I don’t think the Church is oppressive at all! I am worried that it may be setting the direction towards becoming suppressive…when JP II ends discussions and says we can’t talk about things anymore…well that is a dangerous thing to the evolution of revelation which is also informed not by old saint writings of 200-1000’s of years ago but by the Spirits works on our life today… I don’t think that my challenging spirit should be interpreted as feeling oppressed by any means…it is exactly cause the church was not oppressive after Vatican II that I am totally comfortable in questioning, challenging, and even offering alternative ideas and proposals with respect to theolog…as I know that I usually will get a loving response that challenges me back and points out my argument’s weaknesses and therefore facilitating a stronger Catholicism within me…hope that explains me a bit better to you…

Bruce
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Ohana said:
Oh Trickster I read your post and almost weep with Hope. I am not seeing much written within the Catholic community about this. We get attacks from the media, but within the church everyone is simply falling in line. Of course, we are not a democracy. I always thought we were authoritative, but I am seeing more and more authoritarianism. Scary.

The reality now is evident in several points: young people are thirsting for order, discipline, mystery, and the sacred as evidenced in ritual and the Church hierarchy is responding bigtime. Have you not read the posts on this forum that are just waiting for us “hippies of the 70’s, and babyboomers to die off” so that the church can return unfettered by our sensibilities to the grace of the 40’s and 50’s.

On one hand I can understand the need - the young need something to hold on to. Desire for mystery in the generation is evidenced by the popularity of books, movies, TV offerings about the occult and monsters. I hope along with the “rules and regs” of a legalistic church, they also get good catechesis on the Christology of Love and compassion. They need that, as we all do, as much or more that mystery that separates us from aware participation in the Mass and Liturgy.

Having lived through the 40’s and 50’s, I know it was not so grace filled. But as they say . . whatever.

I recall a commentator (Catholic) soon after Pope Benedict was elected saying that we were heading for a remnant Church, meaning that there was going to be a lot of people excluded. I pray that is not so, but I am fearful. There are so many calls for interdiction, excommunication etc., will the Bishops respond to that.

It is interesting to watch the rapprochement of the far right groups with the Vatican, while the left wingers are more and more marginalized.

I really never thought of myself as a radical feminist, but they might think me so.

It distresses me that the good nuns who have had the temerity to think and act according to their corporate conscience are under attack, while orders of dissident priests are invited back. I don’t like to even think that these are good distractions from the scandals which have plagued our church. That certainly may not be the intent, but I bet it will be an effect.

We need to pray for our Bishops, that the Holy Spirit will guide them is right paths.
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I don’t disrespect authorism at all…I “dissent”, “argue alternatives”, question, etc., and I have always recieved answers from the Church…at the end of the day, while we all have the freedom to question wtih creativity in our communion, we also need to accept the fact that the authoritarian nature of the church is necessary in order to keep us together…and I accept that otherwise I would not be Catholic…authoritarianism itself has to be used in a manner that builds the church too and not segmatizes (if that’s a word) the faith community…and many bishops and priests, etc., have abused the authority they have, and as we are not blind cult followers, we ought to take the words of our authorities very seriously, but also an understnading that they can be bias and subjective in their views too…

Bruce (Trickster).
 
Ohana said:
Oh Trickster I read your post and almost weep with Hope. I am not seeing much written within the Catholic community about this. We get attacks from the media, but within the church everyone is simply falling in line. Of course, we are not a democracy. I always thought we were authoritative, but I am seeing more and more authoritarianism. Scary.

The reality now is evident in several points: young people are thirsting for order, discipline, mystery, and the sacred as evidenced in ritual and the Church hierarchy is responding bigtime. Have you not read the posts on this forum that are just waiting for us “hippies of the 70’s, and babyboomers to die off” so that the church can return unfettered by our sensibilities to the grace of the 40’s and 50’s.

On one hand I can understand the need - the young need something to hold on to. Desire for mystery in the generation is evidenced by the popularity of books, movies, TV offerings about the occult and monsters. I hope along with the “rules and regs” of a legalistic church, they also get good catechesis on the Christology of Love and compassion. They need that, as we all do, as much or more that mystery that separates us from aware participation in the Mass and Liturgy.

Having lived through the 40’s and 50’s, I know it was not so grace filled. But as they say . . whatever.

I recall a commentator (Catholic) soon after Pope Benedict was elected saying that we were heading for a remnant Church, meaning that there was going to be a lot of people excluded. I pray that is not so, but I am fearful. There are so many calls for interdiction, excommunication etc., will the Bishops respond to that.

It is interesting to watch the rapprochement of the far right groups with the Vatican, while the left wingers are more and more marginalized.

I really never thought of myself as a radical feminist, but they might think me so.

It distresses me that the good nuns who have had the temerity to think and act according to their corporate conscience are under attack, while orders of dissident priests are invited back. I don’t like to even think that these are good distractions from the scandals which have plagued our church. That certainly may not be the intent, but I bet it will be an effect.

We need to pray for our Bishops, that the Holy Spirit will guide them is right paths.
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AND Ohana, thank you so much for your words and your thoughts on this…I totally am in agreement with you… 🙂

Bruce
Trickster
 
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