Liturgical abuse? Altar server/Chalice/purifying

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Just a quick q- I altar served for a priest I have never served under today, and something unusual happened. I’m just wondering if it was abusive (this was in the OF, not the EF, just to clarify)

After Communion, Fr. sat down at his seat while I was kneeling with the water cruet, for the ablutions. After he sat down, I went up and asked if he was going to purify the Chalice. He responded that it was still filled with the Precious Blood, so he wasn’t going to purify it- he said he doesn’t drink the Precious Blood (at least that’s what I I think he said). He said he usually had someone else drink It for him. I then offered to do so, so I received the Precious Blood. After I drank, he poured in the water, but then asked me to purify it by drinking the water/Precious Blood remnant. I did so, but thought it was odd.

Was this an abuse? What should I do if the priest asks me to do this in the future?
 
Just a quick q- I altar served for a priest I have never served under today, and something unusual happened. I’m just wondering if it was abusive (this was in the OF, not the EF, just to clarify)

After Communion, Fr. sat down at his seat while I was kneeling with the water cruet, for the ablutions. After he sat down, I went up and asked if he was going to purify the Chalice. He responded that it was still filled with the Precious Blood, so he wasn’t going to purify it- he said he doesn’t drink the Precious Blood (at least that’s what I I think he said). He said he usually had someone else drink It for him. I then offered to do so, so I received the Precious Blood. After I drank, he poured in the water, but then asked me to purify it by drinking the water/Precious Blood remnant. I did so, but thought it was odd.

Was this an abuse? What should I do if the priest asks me to do this in the future?
This is not really an abuse. It appears to me as if the priest may have had minor self-doubt about his own spiritual state(and did not want to take more than his “share”), or simply is use to someone else doing it(as he said). In such a case you should perhaps listen to him and purify it yourself.

However you were right to think it was odd because normally the Priest is supposed to purify the chalices. We have been instructed in my arch-diocese to pour all the water from one chalice to another and then all of it into the Priest’s chalice, who then drinks all the leftover blood.
 
After Communion, Fr. sat down at his seat while I was kneeling with the water cruet, for the ablutions.
Why were you kneeling?
After he sat down, I went up and asked if he was going to purify the Chalice. He responded that it was still filled with the Precious Blood, so he wasn’t going to purify it- he said he doesn’t drink the Precious Blood (at least that’s what I I think he said). He said he usually had someone else drink It for him. I then offered to do so, so I received the Precious Blood. After I drank, he poured in the water, but then asked me to purify it by drinking the water/Precious Blood remnant. I did so, but thought it was odd.

Was this an abuse? What should I do if the priest asks me to do this in the future?
First, make darned sure about what you saw and heard. Did he take communion under both species or not? Were you watching? What did he actually say? If he didn’t take communion under both species, that’s a serious abuse. I wouldn’t serve Mass for that sort of priest – but I seriously doubt that was the case.

If he did take communion under both species but some of the Precious Blood was still left in the chalice, that’s a huge difference. It sounds as though he is just very sloppy – he receives under both species and lets the sacristan deal with consuming the remaining Precious Blood and/or purifying the chalice. Not a good situation but very different from the celebrant not receiving under both species.

Also just how much Precious Blood was left? A tiny amount that slowly drained back down to the bottom of the vessel after he received? Did he mean that he normally has someone else purify the chalice? If there is no “drinkable” amount of the Precious Blood left, veil the chalice and let an authorized man purify it after Mass.

You have to find out what he actually said and did before anyone can render you any really accurate information.
 
Why were you kneeling?

First, make darned sure about what you saw and heard. Did he take communion under both species or not? Were you watching? What did he actually say? If he didn’t take communion under both species, that’s a serious abuse. I wouldn’t serve Mass for that sort of priest – but I seriously doubt that was the case.

If he did take communion under both species but some of the Precious Blood was still left in the chalice, that’s a huge difference. It sounds as though he is just very sloppy – he receives under both species and lets the sacristan deal with consuming the remaining Precious Blood and/or purifying the chalice. Not a good situation but very different from the celebrant not receiving under both species.

Also just how much Precious Blood was left? A tiny amount that slowly drained back down to the bottom of the vessel after he received? Did he mean that he normally has someone else purify the chalice? ** If there is no “drinkable” amount of the Precious Blood left, veil the chalice and let an authorized man purify it after Mass.
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You have to find out what he actually said and did before anyone can render you any really accurate information.
In my Church and diocese, the Priest now has to do this during the mass, after communion. There has been a change somewhere along the line. And the OP did indicate this occured after communion meaning that the priest probally did partake of communion. This is a question about purifying the chalices, which now is supposed to done by the Priest, with the eucharistic servers helping by cleaning the chalices on the spot(and simply washing them later after mass). This seems to be a case of a Priest either just not being aware of the change in practise, being spiritually doubtful or just being too use to the previous practice. It doesn’t appear to be a delibrate abuse.
 
In my Church and diocese, the Priest now has to do this during the mass, after communion. There has been a change somewhere along the line. And the OP did indicate this occured after communion meaning that the priest probally did partake of communion. This is a question about purifying the chalices, which now is supposed to done by the Priest, with the eucharistic servers helping by cleaning the chalices on the spot(and simply washing them later after mass). This seems to be a case of a Priest either just not being aware of the change in practise, being spiritually doubtful or just being too use to the previous practice. It doesn’t appear to be a delibrate abuse.
Purification may be done by priests, deacons and instituted acolytes – during the Mass or immediately after – at least in the USA

You can seemingly drain a chalice, set it down, and remaining liquid will slide down the sides and collect in the bottom (a tiny amount.) There would be no problem in this case with veiling the chalice and waiting until after Mass to purify it.
 
Purification may be done by priests, deacons and instituted acolytes – during the Mass or immediately after – at least in the USA

You can seemingly drain a chalice, set it down, and remaining liquid will slide down the sides and collect in the bottom (a tiny amount.) There would be no problem in this case with veiling the chalice and waiting until after Mass to purify it.
Yes. In my Diocese purfying the chalices is now done only by the Priest, with the others cleaning. This is of cause after the visible Blood is consumed, which can be done by Acolytes and Eucharistic ministers when required by the priest. But only the priest may purify.
 
he may be a recovering alcoholic… I have had this experience with an alcoholic priest before
 
Yes. In my Diocese purfying the chalices is now done only by the Priest, with the others cleaning. This is of cause after the visible Blood is consumed, which can be done by Acolytes and Eucharistic ministers when required by the priest. But only the priest may purify.
Here is what Redemptionis Sacramentum has to say on the matter:
[119.] The Priest, once he has returned to the altar after the distribution of Communion, standing at the altar or at the credence table, purifies the paten or ciborium over the chalice, then purifies the chalice in accordance with the prescriptions of the Missal and wipes the chalice with the purificator. Where a Deacon is present, he returns with the Priest to the altar and purifies the vessels. It is permissible, however, especially if there are several vessels to be purified, to leave them, covered as may be appropriate, on a corporal on the altar or on the credence table, and for them to be purified by the Priest or Deacon immediately after Mass once the people have been dismissed. Moreover a duly instituted acolyte assists the Priest or Deacon in purifying and arranging the sacred vessels either at the altar or the credence table. In the absence of a Deacon, a duly instituted acolyte carries the sacred vessels to the credence table and there purifies, wipes and arranges them in the usual way.209
One more technical point that bears repeating. The only Eucharistic Ministers are the priest and bishop because only they can confect the Sacrament, that it is to say, cause to happen, the Eucharist. Laity who assist in the distribution of Holy Communion are called Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion, per Redemptionis Sacramentum:
[156.] This function is to be understood strictly according to the name by which it is known, that is to say, that of extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, and not “special minister of Holy Communion” nor “extraordinary minister of the Eucharist” nor “special minister of the Eucharist”, by which names the meaning of this function is unnecessarily and improperly broadened.
I hope this helps.
 
Actually, this sounds like he didnt want to risk the germs drinking the cup after others have…

A pastor in our diocese had throat cancer and cannot risk the germs.

Perhaps he has OCD or something and is afraid of the germs.
 
If a lot of the Precious Blood remained, don’t forget that that accidents are still present.

It’s entirely possible that he was taking medicine that strictly regulated the amount of alcohol he could consume–if any.

I also know of a priest who had poor eyesight who had another purify the chalice.

So–give this priest a break, pending further information.
 
If one chalice was used and no EMHCs were there to assist in the distribution of the precious blood (at least from what I can infer from the OP), then, there would be no need to fear germs since the priest is the only one who would have consumed the sacred species in the first place.

Now, the sacrifice is not compete until the celebrant consumes both the Body and Blood of Christ. If the priest knew that he could not consume all of it, then he probably should not have put too much wine into the chalice at the offertory.
 
Was this an abuse? What should I do if the priest asks me to do this in the future?
The purification of sacred vessels must be done by a bishop, priest, deacon, or instituted acolyte. An extraordinary minister of Holy Communion who is not an acolyte may not do it. An altar server who is not an acolyte may not do it.

Subjectively, the priest should have been more careful in determining the amount of wine to consecrate so that there would not be so much Precious Blood to be consumed after Communion, especially if he does not prefer to drink it!
 
OK, I’ll elaborate a bit more:

I don’t think the priest consumed any of the Precious Blood; he did not even want to consume the water filled chalice with the drops of Precious Blood. I think he may have some sort of aversion to alcohol, the nature of which I cannot guess. But I’m more sure than not that he did not receive that portion of the Sacred Species.

No one except the priest and the two EMHC’s usually receive the Precious Blood, but at that Mass I recall no one received (except myself, obviously).

What should I do in the future if I serve under him?
 
OK, I’ll elaborate a bit more:

I don’t think the priest consumed any of the Precious Blood; he did not even want to consume the water filled chalice with the drops of Precious Blood. I think he may have some sort of aversion to alcohol, the nature of which I cannot guess. But I’m more sure than not that he did not receive that portion of the Sacred Species.

No one except the priest and the two EMHC’s usually receive the Precious Blood, but at that Mass I recall no one received (except myself, obviously).

What should I do in the future if I serve under him?
You have two EMHCs at daily Mass?
 
Just a quick q- I altar served for a priest I have never served under today, and something unusual happened. I’m just wondering if it was abusive (this was in the OF, not the EF, just to clarify)

After Communion, Fr. sat down at his seat while I was kneeling with the water cruet, for the ablutions. After he sat down, I went up and asked if he was going to purify the Chalice. He responded that it was still filled with the Precious Blood, so he wasn’t going to purify it- he said he doesn’t drink the Precious Blood (at least that’s what I I think he said). He said he usually had someone else drink It for him. I then offered to do so, so I received the Precious Blood. After I drank, he poured in the water, but then asked me to purify it by drinking the water/Precious Blood remnant. I did so, but thought it was odd.

Was this an abuse? What should I do if the priest asks me to do this in the future?
There was a failure to follow the liturgical books.

From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“163. When the distribution of Communion is finished, the priest himself immediately and
completely consumes at the altar any consecrated wine that happens to remain;”

“182. … If Communion is given under both kinds, the deacon himself administers the chalice to the communicants; and, when the distribution is completed, he immediately and reverently consumes at the altar all of the Blood of Christ that remains, assisted if necessary by other deacons and priests.”

If Juan is in the USA, then the following applies, from Norms for the Distribution and Reception of Holy Communion Under Both Kinds in the Dioceses of the United States of America at usccb.org/liturgy/current/norms.shtml :

“52. … When there are extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, they may consume what remains of the Precious Blood from their chalice of distribution with permission of the diocesan bishop.”

In the BCL Newsletter of March 2002 (at usccb.org/liturgy/innews/03042002.shtml ) it was reported that the the Bishops of the United States requested an indult by which extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion would be permitted to consume what remains of the Precious Blood after the distribution of Holy Communion. The Newsletter reported that this was approved “Two of the three requests were approved by the Congregation.” The response reported from the Vatican Congregation was:
"With respect to the second request, Cardinal Medina, Prefect of CDWDS, noted that neither an indult nor even the permission of the diocesan bishop is required for extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion to help the priest celebrant to consume what may remain of the Precious Blood after the distribution of Holy Communion. “Rather,” he wrote, “given the grave and overriding need to safeguard the Precious Blood, ministers of Holy Communion or other communicants may consume what remains of the Precious Blood in a dignified and reverent manner.”

One document says a bishop’s permission is required. This response indicates no permission is required, but indicates that it is an emergency practice, rather than an “special dignity” to be associated with Extraordinary Ministers.

Regarding doing purifications, the requirement (even in the USA, now) is that a lay person doing this be an Instituted Acolyte. If Juan is not one, he should not be consuming the purification water. From the 2002 GIRM: “279. The sacred vessels are purified by the priest, the deacon, or an instituted acolyte after Communion or after Mass, insofar as possible at the credence table. The purification of the chalice is done with water alone or with wine and water, which is then drunk by whoever does the purification.” (My bold text.)
 
OK, I’ll elaborate a bit more:

I don’t think the priest consumed any of the Precious Blood; he did not even want to consume the water filled chalice with the drops of Precious Blood. I think he may have some sort of aversion to alcohol, the nature of which I cannot guess. But I’m more sure than not that he did not receive that portion of the Sacred Species.

No one except the priest and the two EMHC’s usually receive the Precious Blood, but at that Mass I recall no one received (except myself, obviously).

What should I do in the future if I serve under him?
#1 - Get your facts straight. You should have done that before posting.
 
he may be a recovering alcoholic… I have had this experience with an alcoholic priest before
Reading the first post, this is the first thought that came to mind. …being a recovering alcoholic myself, who did my first AA Fifth Step with a Catholic priest who went to the same Monday night meeting I did my first two years in program. A wonderful priest who celebrated every year in January a Mass of Gratitude for AA. It was jam packed with Catholics and non Catholics. God bless him.
 
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