Liturgical Abuse - What to do about it?

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Thanks very much for finally answering this question to my satisfaction, once and for all. I wish I had been wrong, but I am happy to learn that at least my somewhat limited knowledge of liturgy is accurate.

More specifically, let me provide a brief analysis, if I may, of the Zenit analysis and supporting information. My comments will be presented in no particular order.

I find interesting that Father McNamara concedes that his answer “is a stronger element of personal opinion than in other cases.” I do, however, of course, respect his opinion.

In answer to the question of whether a “commissioning service of newly qualified instructors at the end of their teacher-training course” would be appropriate in a Mass, he cites Article 75 of Redemptionias Sacramentum. Article 75 reads: “On account of the theological significance inherent in a particular rite at a Eucharistic celebration, the liturgical books sometimes prescribe or permit the celebration of Holy Mass to be joined with another rite, especially one of those pertaining to the Sacraments. The Church does not permit such a conjoining in other cases, however, especially when it is a question of trivial matters.”

Thus, it is apparent that, as Father McNamara astutely points out, unless there is something significantly appropriate to the rite, there should be no interruption of the Mass. Indeed, he writes in response to another part of the same answer, “[In the Mass] we are engaged in a most solemn act of worship to which we strive to bring our entire hearts and souls.”

Of perhaps most importance, at least in my view, is the end of Article 75 that rejects interruptions of the Mass for “trivial matters.” Indeed, Father McNamara agrees, when he writes, “If the commissioning service is similar to a graduation, involving the handing over of degrees and certificates, then it would be inappropriate to include it within the Mass.” The subject ceremony (if one wants to call it that) had nothing to do with any liturgical rite, any sacrament, or any rite that might otherwise be permitted at Mass pursuant to the Book of Blessings articles 526 through 529. In fact, all that really happened was the recognition of scouting service in a pinning ceremony, which I would think is virtually identical to (if even less significant) than conferring degrees on students.

So, to answer the succinct question in a preceding post, “Do you agree that the Mass in question was one that was celebrated with another rite as allowed by the Liturgical books?” My answer, in a word, is, “No, not at all.” (Okay – in four words, sorry.) I also do not believe that the “Ad Altare Dei” emblem is an Ecclesiastical honor, but I do not profess expertise in Ecclesiastical honors. Perhaps someone else can answer that question better than I can.
 
By the way, in response to Dutch’s question about other things I think might be improper in EDIT my Diocese, I list the following (please note that I am NOT accusing anyone of actual abuse; rather, I am simply saying that these things, in my humble view, appear to be not in conformance with either the specific provisions of the GIRM or a general interpretation of it):
  1. The opening Mass hymn being “Morning has Broken” by famed Catholic singer Yusuf Islam, er, Cat Stevens. (I’ve got to believe that there are at least one or two more Catholic songs than that);
  2. The cantor, leading the congregation in song, not being pleased with the volume and cupping his hand over his ear as he stops singing and says, “I can’t hear you;”
  3. PowerPoint presentations during Mass with the words of the songs being sung and the prayers being prayed, even while we process up to receive the body, blood, soul, and divinity of almighty God himself in the Eucharist. (I find it distracting having to look over the priest’s shoulder and see a PowerPoint presentation at this time);
  4. Performance of a skit encouraging attendance at Marriage Encounter, in the two minutes immediately prior to Mass, a time during which I believe people should be preparing for the most holy Mass;
  5. Extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion blessing children too young to receive the Eucharist with the sign of the cross, which I see as a gesture that (a) exceeds the authority given to them, and (b) blurs the line between religious and laity;
  6. Far too many Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. This past week there were 15 at the Church we went on and the Eucharistic procession took all of seven minutes. (I know there is not a mathematical precision to this issue, but it is one of those problems that “I know when I see it.”);
  7. Excessive hand holding across aisles and between rows during the Our Father;
  8. Changing of the words of the Memorial Acclamation from “When we eat this bread and drink this cup …” to “Every time we eat this bread and every time we drink this cup …”
  9. The celebrating priest sitting in a chair while others distribute Holy Communion;
  10. A tabernacle that is unlocatable and not sitting in a prominent place as required (in one Church it is in a room off the back hallway of the church, and in another it is in a chapel across the main hallway that is behind the sanctuary and not visible from the sanctuary);
  11. The main large crucifix not being a crucifix at all, and, instead, simply a wooden cross without the crucified body of our Lord on it (a small crucifix is brought up to the altar in the opening procession and taken away at the end of Mass); and
  12. An interruption of the Mass immediately before the collection in which the congregation was asked to rise, raise their hands collectively, and say a prayer over the incoming officers of a senior citizens group that, apparently, likes to attend church together once a month and have other social activities.
Please understand – I am not trying to be scrupulous or overly sensitive on these issues. I will concede that, in and of themselves, each one of these things is not terribly problematic, at least to me, and I do not wish to die on this hill. These things do, however, have a cumulative effect that I find most troubling. Please also understand that not all of these things happen in the same parish. There is a reasonably significant overlap among parishes, but no parish, that I have found at least, violates all of these things.
 
SECOND NOTICE:

For those who missed it initially please see post #31:
**A point of order in this discussion:
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While those wishing to contribute to the thread are free to do so, let us in charity edit out the names of particular dioceses and/or specific locations.
 
John Lilburne:
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  • Bring a Tribunal case against the priest, that your rights under the Code of Canon Law, canon 846, are not being respected. It has: “The liturgical books approved by the competent authority are to be faithfully observed in the celebration of the sacraments; therefore no one on personal authority may add, remove or change anything in them.” (From Code of Canon Law, Canon Law Society of America).-
I never knew there were such things, although I’ve often asked where I could find out what things our archbishop has establlished for the archdiocese. How can a person get to see such things?

God bless,

Anna
 
I am a Scout Officer in Ireland and we regulary have Church Parades and during the Mass we often enrol children into the Scouts after the Homily.They make a promise to God and get a blessing of the Priest.I even recall having one at a Old Latin Mass after communion.
 
The tenor of this thread is bothering me. It seems like many people are playing what I think I will call “loophole liturgy.” In other words, some people seem to be looking for ways around the GIRM - loopholes in the liturgy. Put more simply, as I see it, we should follow the church’s rubrics, not look for ways around it.
 
It saddens me greatly that there is some much being changed to fit the new world in our Churches. The Mass is such a beautiful prayer to Our Father in Thanksgiving for Jesus.
One thing I ran across in someones post was hand holding during the Our Father, we are not to hold hands at all during the Our Father. That is to be a prayer from us to The Father. We come together as a parish to honor Our Lord, we don’t need to simulate community by holding hands.
There were other things to respond to but don’t have time.
God Bless You and Our Catholic Church,
Robin Shade
 
I apologize for the long post. Maybe some of these sites will help clarify that Catholic scouting and the Mass have had a long history together, including being awarded Ad Altare Dei, Pius XII, Light is Life (Eastern), Light of Christ and Parvuli Dei during Mass, as well as investiture of scouts in the various ranks and orders (even Wood Badge for grown ups):
http://www.catholicscouting.org/
http://www.catholicscouting.org/Pix-Patches/Pictures/CD-Pictures/cd-pictures_10.html
http://www.catholicscouting.org/Pix-Patches/Pictures/CD-Pictures/cd-pictures_14.html

Almost since its inception, scouting has had a Catholic connection. This is not a new innovation caused by any type of sloppy liturgy. David Peavy is an expert on the long relationship of scouting and the Church, particularly the Church in the U.S. He can probably tell you more than I can.

http://www.nccs-bsa.org/
http://www.nccs-bsa.org/pdf/2005DecemberTheBridge.pdf (Look at the last page)
http://www.denarch-ccscf.org/brochures/ccscf-scout-brochure.pdf
http://www.peoria-dccs.org/ (the Diocese of Peoria is one of the most orthodox dioceses in the country, and they receive their awards during Mass)
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=63173&paper=62&cat=104
http://www.goccn.org/stc/articles/article.cfm?article=147
http://cny.org/archive/ld/ld043098.htm
http://www.peoria-dccs.org/top tabs pages/youth emblems.html
http://www.narragansettbsa.org/volunteers/program/docs/catholic.pdf
nfcym.org/about/membership.htm
http://www.rockforddiocese.org/ministries/Default.htm#SCOUTING
nfcym.org/gscf/2004%20Spring%20Edition%20NCCGSCF%20News.pdf
svdp-edu.org/t505/scrapbook.htm (scan down the page to see their Paul VI unit award & photos)
stthomasabecketparish.org/Bulletins/Bulletin3-5-06.htm
photos.stalphonsusscouts.org/2000/2006/ScoutSunday06/index.html

Here are links that deal with Scout Masses in Louisiana:
http://clarionherald.org/20010607/artppp.htm
troop261nola.org/

I have asked the National Catholic Committee on Scouting to come up with some answers for you, as well. I sent them a link to this site, and asked them to either explain the procedure up-front in this forum, or to send me an email with the information. These are all things you could also do yourself, if you don’t believe me for some reason.

It has been the custom to receive such awards during Mass for Catholic scouts on Scout Sunday as far back as I can remember, when my brother received his Parvuli Dei as a cub scout back in I think 1968. While I don’t know about the blessing by the congregation (not my personal idea), or of applause (at one time, it was taboo to offer applause at most churches) I see no problem with handing out the religious awards and “biggies” (Eagle, Arrow of Light) after the homily or the post-communion meditation/ thanksgiving. BSA does provide for the reception of most awards in a court of honor.

I have to say I had NO trouble researching this. Did you try to google “Mass Scout Sunday Catholic”?

If you have a problem with this, have you considered going higher than your bishop?
 
I think you are missing the point, Chicago ‘burbs. There is no question that scouting is a good and noble thing. One of my sons is a scout. But, the issue, really, is a change of the liturgy and whether that is proper. It either is proper to add something to the Mass, or it is not proper. It does not matter if it is a scouting presentation, a talent show, a birthday celebration, or anything else. The Mass either consists of the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist and nothing else, OR, it Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist and some other event. I will suggest that it ONLY consists of the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist. Period.

I suggest you listen to Catholic Answers’ second hour yesterday (3/28/06), about 35 minutes into the hour. I called and asked Karl Keating about this specific thing. His answer was blunt and succinct. The bottom line is, inserting a scout award presentation between the homily and the profession of faith is, in a word, wrong. Period.
 
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