Liturgical Abuses Deterring Me?

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Maybe, just maybe, you are being called to restore the orthodox practice of the Faith. Some priests even suggest that you hide, or at least soften, your orthodox stance from vocation directors and seminary formators in order to be ordained and then be free to teach the unwashed Faith.

Pax Christi
 
We need you! We need priests who will return to the traditional reverence for Mother Church. No more liberalism, girl altar boys, numberless EMs, women on the altar, immodest dress, irreverance in church, watered down religious education, non-Catholic church groups within, unending laity participation / ambiguous priestly roles, irreverence towards priests who are truly in persona christi. God is calling you to make a difference and bring things back to where they need to be.

I, too, see young priests going back to the way it was. Don’t give up. Pray to Our Lady and she will guide you through this maze. We need courageous leaders who will lead souls to God and away from the world!

I will pray for you.

Peace.

+JMJ+
 
Augustine said:
Maybe, just maybe, you are being called to restore the orthodox practice of the Faith. Some priests even suggest that you hide, or at least soften, your orthodox stance from vocation directors and seminary formators in order to be ordained and then be free to teach the unwashed Faith.

Pax Christi
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So, in other words, lie???
 
Augustine said:
Maybe, just maybe, you are being called to restore the orthodox practice of the Faith. Some priests even suggest that you hide, or at least soften, your orthodox stance from vocation directors and seminary formators in order to be ordained and then be free to teach the unwashed Faith.

Pax Christi
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Ave Maria!

Yes! though many will tell u to hide ur traditional views coz when noticed u maybe expelled from the seminary with many reasons!
I would suggest u consider FSSP,and other Ecclessiae Dei communities.
Just yesterday I was told I was wrong giving a Lady veil to cover her hair while in the Church (am a Nigeria) so the trend of ‘no veil’ is not as common as it is in many Western world!

Our Lady Virgin Most Wise… pls open our eyes to see our errors!!
Ave Maria!!!
 
There’s no such thing as the perfect liturgy and so, if you’re seeking it, expect to be disappointed - even if you join an order like the FSSP. What you need to ask yourself is “why do I want to be a priest?” Granted, liturgy done well (as it should be) gives glory to God but, at the same time, the liturgy was made for the people and not the people for the liturgy. Priests are called to minister to the people, like shepherds to their flock, and while liturgy is certainly one means of doing this it is certainly not the only one. Granted, I’ve been to some masses that were almost a form of penance but being a diocesan priest is about accepting the good with the bad. Of course that’s not to say that you should just settle for mediocrity but change takes time and patience is after all a virtue. it’s great that you’re passionate about the liturgy and diocesan priesthood may well provide you with an opportunity to share that passion with the people through effective catechesis. Of course that requires that you work with, and not against, them. There’s a quote which comes to mind: the mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, the mark of a mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one. We can’t hide from the things that we don’t like but we can learn to accept the things we cannot change and, with God’s help, work to change the things we can.
 
InThePew said:
There’s no such thing as the perfect liturgy and so, if you’re seeking it, expect to be disappointed - even if you join an order like the FSSP. What you need to ask yourself is “why do I want to be a priest?” Granted, liturgy done well (as it should be) gives glory to God but, at the same time, the liturgy was made for the people and not the people for the liturgy. Priests are called to minister to the people, like shepherds to their flock, and while liturgy is certainly one means of doing this it is certainly not the only one. Granted, I’ve been to some masses that were almost a form of penance but being a diocesan priest is about accepting the good with the bad. Of course that’s not to say that you should just settle for mediocrity but change takes time and patience is after all a virtue. it’s great that you’re passionate about the liturgy and diocesan priesthood may well provide you with an opportunity to share that passion with the people through effective catechesis. Of course that requires that you work with, and not against, them. There’s a quote which comes to mind: the mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, the mark of a mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one. We can’t hide from the things that we don’t like but we can learn to accept the things we cannot change and, with God’s help, work to change the things we can.
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Great post! Thank you.
 
For those of us who see these abuses taking place:

If we see it, we are at a greater level of culpability. We have been given a responsibility. Let us not think lightly of this.

Let us work hard to change it, all the while never forget love of God and neighbor. Charitable approaches to fixing these troubles are a must. Remember too, that, suffering for the sake of His name is a blessing.
 
InThePew said:
There’s no such thing as the perfect liturgy
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Yes there is. There are rubrics that are meant to be followed. Continuing on with your example of the FSSP, could you tell me what would make a Liturgy somehow imperfect if the rubrics were followed in their entirety (which they are at FSSP Masses)?
 
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Yes there is. There are rubrics that are meant to be followed. Continuing on with your example of the FSSP, could you tell me what would make a Liturgy somehow imperfect if the rubrics were followed in their entirety (which they are at FSSP Masses)?
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Even if the rubrics are (painstakingly) followed to the letter that in itself does not make the liturgy perfect because liturgy is about more than just rubrics it’s about our interior disposition and, importantly, about the people of God. A strict focus on rubrics (which are of course intended to be followed) reduces the liturgy to a merely mechanical action - which of course it is not - and thus even a mass where every rubric was followed would not be perfect. There’s a risk that in looking for perfection we become fixated on details for their own sake and, in doing so, will always find something which dissatisfies us (even if the rubrics are observed to the letter). This is true regardless of whether the mass is siaf in the OF or EF. In both forms, liturgy can be done well, or done badly regardless of the strictness with which the rubrics are observed since they don’t exist in a vacuum. If we see the rubrics as strict instructions existing for their own sake then we’ve missed the point.
 
When you become a priest then I would suggest to become a diocesan priest if you are strong enough to handle this stress of you traditional views.
The fssp is basically a graveyard for traditional people, to isolate them, so that the liberals have a free diocese to play with. So I wouldn’t recommend the fssp except if diocesan priest is too hard for you.
 
jmj777 said:
We need you! We need priests who will return to the traditional reverence for Mother Church. No more liberalism, girl altar boys, numberless EMs, women on the altar, immodest dress, irreverance in church, watered down religious education, non-Catholic church groups within, unending laity participation / ambiguous priestly roles, irreverence towards priests who are truly in persona christi. God is calling you to make a difference and bring things back to where they need to be.

I, too, see young priests going back to the way it was. Don’t give up. Pray to Our Lady and she will guide you through this maze. We need courageous leaders who will lead souls to God and away from the world!

I will pray for you.

Peace

.:rotfl::rotfl: absolutely Jim!,must get rid of women from the scene generally. No good will come of it: if they get on the altar they’ll either distract the men in the pews or (heaven forbid), the priest on ths altar! Prayers for all on these matters of great import. 👍
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dynahmik said:
I have been thinking about the FSSP for quite some time now actually. This first came up when I tried to find a parish in the archdiocese that celebrates the TLM. Coincidentally, its a FSSP apostolate. Also, a good friend of mine (a seminarian actually) says that he thinks I should try looking more into the FSSP, as he believes I have very similar passions and desires to them. When I first spoke to my spiritual director that I was discerning the priesthood, he immediately turned around and gave me the icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe he had hanging. He said that he felt like Our Lady was indicating him to do so, while we were talking (he has a very deep devotion to Mother Mary). Not entirely sure, but maybe it could be God hinting to something? 🤷
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Maybe u should go to Guadelupe?
 
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