Liturgical Dance?

[superamazingman]

I forgot to mention one of the biggest problems with this Mass: the use of so many languages. Sacramentum Caritatis (I believe, may have been the GIRM or RS though) made clear that in situations like this, the majority of the Mass should be in latin, using gregorian chant, not interspersed among many languages. That is the best way to show our unity as Catholics.

It also says that if people don’t know the prayers and chants of the Mass in Latin, the solution is to teach them, not skip out on latin and chant.

I’ll say it: This Mass is a joke. It honestly feels like they actually read the rubrics… then did the exact opposite.

 

[Brendan]

I forgot to mention one of the biggest problems with this Mass: the use of so many languages. Sacramentum Caritatis (I believe, may have been the GIRM or RS though) made clear that in situations like this, the majority of the Mass should be in latin, using gregorian chant, not interspersed among many languages. That is the best way to show our unity as Catholics.

It also says that if people don’t know the prayers and chants of the Mass in Latin, the solution is to teach them, not skip out on latin and chant.

Here is the actual quote from Pope Benedict in Sacramentum Caritas

1. None of the above observations should cast doubt upon the importance of such large-scale liturgies. I am thinking here particularly of celebrations at international gatherings, which nowadays are held with greater frequency. The most should be made of these occasions. In order to express more clearly the unity and universality of the Church, I wish to endorse the proposal made by the Synod of Bishops, in harmony with the directives of the Second Vatican Council, (182) that, with the exception of the readings, the homily and the prayer of the faithful, it is fitting that such liturgies be celebrated in Latin

The footnote points towards Vatican II, Sacrosanctum Concillium

(182) Cf. Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy Sacrosanctum Concilium, 36, 54.

And Pope John XXIII said something similar in Veterum sapientia

Of its very nature Latin is most suitable for promoting every form of culture among peoples. It gives rise to no jealousies. It does not favor anyone nation, but presents itself with equal impartiality to all and is equally acceptable to all.

 

[waanju]

I’d highly doubt they have a special circumstance. More likely, they’re just being straight up disobedient. There’s SOOOO many problems with this Mass that I would highly doubt that they are allowed to make any of the changes. Just in the first few minutes, I found several problems:

1. liturgical dance
2. multiple bowls of incense
3. multiple processions
4. unrelated people being added to the procession
5. no cloths on the altar for the first half of the Mass
6. no altar candles near the altar during the first half of the Mass.

And that’s in the first 7 minutes, even before the sign of the cross. AHHH!!!

In case you’re wondering, all of the above are clear violations of the GIRM. I almost always cite my sources here, but since there’s so many, I won’t look them up just to look them up. But if you honestly don’t believe me, I will.

WOWZERS

Does anyone know is LA is particularly bad about following the standards (which is what I assume GIRM means, I’ll have to look that up), or is that how it is everywhere?

And stuff is supposed to be mostly in Latin?! We have like one or two sentences in Latin for the whole mass, sometimes with the songs in Latin as well… (my choir sung Gregorian chant for the Requiem for the Unborn at the LA cathedral)

 

[superamazingman]

WOWZERS

Does anyone know is LA is particularly bad about following the standards (which is what I assume GIRM means, I’ll have to look that up), or is that how it is everywhere?

And stuff is supposed to be mostly in Latin?! We have like one or two sentences in Latin for the whole mass, sometimes with the songs in Latin as well… (my choir sung Gregorian chant for the Requiem for the Unborn at the LA cathedral)

Sorry for my lack of clarity. You’ll get used to the abbreviations around here. the GIRM is the “General Instruction of the Roman Missal.” You are correct that it is, as the title says, the instructions, or rubrics for the Mass that must be followed. There are rubrics in other documents, but most of them are found either in the GIRM or in the missal itself.

 

[waanju]

I’ll say it: This Mass is a joke. It honestly feels like they actually read the rubrics… then did the exact opposite.

I wouldn’t call it a joke. The consecration was valid, so the mass was still a sacred occasion. Most of the people there (like me) probably didn’t know it was going against the rubrics and had a very respectful and prayerful attitude. I’d be hesitant to call it a joke because (most people there, not whoever planned it) people were doing the best they knew. Instead, I’d offer gentle education to those who are just ignorant of what is the right form.

 

[waanju]

Sorry for my lack of clarity. You’ll get used to the abbreviations around here. the GIRM is the “General Instruction of the Roman Missal.” You are correct that it is, as the title says, the instructions, or rubrics for the Mass that must be followed. There are rubrics in other documents, but most of them are found either in the GIRM or in the missal itself.

Thanks!
I’m pretty young and I’m just starting to try to expand my knowledge beyond what I learned as a kid, so I’m still unsure of a lot of terminology. Thus the reason I’m here.

 

[superamazingman]

Thanks!
I’m pretty young and I’m just starting to try to expand my knowledge beyond what I learned as a kid, so I’m still unsure of a lot of terminology. Thus the reason I’m here.