Liturgical Quiz

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I will address each Question poised. So please refrain from commenting until I am finished with all 60,

You patient piety is greatly appreciated.

1. True - the priest is permitted to change the word “brethren” to “brothers and sisters”. (GIRM 86, GIRM II).

Why is this question here if it is not an abuse?

2. False - No one is permitted to change gender-related language or eliminate male references while reading Scripture. (CIC 838, 846)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

3. False - No words of the Creed are ever permitted to be changed or revised for any reason or under any circumstances. (CIC 838, 846)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

4. True - general announcements may be made during the concluding rites. (GIRM 139)

This one is puzzling. Since here is GIRM 139 :

**139. When the Prayer of the Faithful is completed, all sit, and the Offertory chant begins (cf. above, no. 74).

An acolyte or other lay minister arranges the corporal, the purificator, the chalice, the pall, and the Missal upon the altar.**

5. False - a priest may never give ‘general absolution’ as a substitution for individual confession during an ordinary Mass or under non-emergency circumstances. (CIC 961)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

**6. True - the rite of blessing and sprinkling takes the place of the “Lord have Mercy” and penitential rite. **

Why is this question here if it is not an abuse?

7. False - no lector (or anyone else) may use the NRSV of Scripture during any Mass, as it has not been approved by Rome for liturgical use. (CIC 826, CIC 838).

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse.
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8. True - a priest may not omit the homily on Sundays or Holy Days. (CIC 767)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

9. False - a priest may omit the homily on weekday Masses if they are not a Holy Day.
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Why is this question here if it is not an abuse?
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**10. True - only an ordained minister (priest, deacon or bishop) may give the homily at Mass. (CIC 766) **

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.
 
What is this in response to?

Also, not to be rude, but isn’t this more suited to L&S rather than the TC forum?
 
11. False - the term “Eucharistic Minister” is to be avoided and has never been approved by Rome. (per Vatican Encyclical)
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**I’ve never witnessed this abuse(clarifier: Never heard this term during the Mass). **
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12. False - a ‘talk’ or ‘reflection’ by a non-ordained minister may never be used in place of the homily. (CIC 766)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

13. False - the Creed may never be omitted on Sundays or Holy Days. (GIRM 44)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

14. True - The Apostle’s Creed may be substituted for the Nicene Creed at a children’s Masses only. (GIRM 44)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

15. True - the priest may never omit washing his hands at the beginning of the Eucharistic Liturgy. (GIRM 52)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

16. False - the priest may not substitute ‘our’ for ‘my’ in the prayer asking for his sins to be cleansed prior to the Eucharistic Liturgy. (Sacramentary)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

17. True - (technically), although the General Rites indicate that a bell usually should be rung, is entirely appropriate, and sometimes necessary. (GIRM 109)

eh? 109. If there are several persons present who are able to exercise the same ministry, nothing forbids their distributing among themselves and performing different parts of the same ministry or duty. For example, one deacon may be assigned to take the sung parts, another to serve at the altar; if there are several readings, it is well to distribute them among a number of lectors. The same applies for the other ministries. But it is not at all appropriate that several persons divide a single element of the celebration among themselves, e.g., that the same reading be proclaimed by two lectors, one after the other, except as far as the Passion of the Lord is concerned.
109. The priest continues the eucharistic prayer according to the rubrics that are given for each of them. If the priest celebrant is a bishop, after the words “N. our Pope” or the equivalent, he adds: “and for me your unworthy servant.” The local Ordinary must be mentioned in this way: “N. our Bishop” (or “Vicar, Prelate, Prefect, Abbot”). Coadjutor and auxiliary bishops may be mentioned in the eucharistic prayer. When several are named, this is done with the collective formula, “N. our Bishop and his assistant bishops.”[60] All these phrases should be modified grammatically to fit each of the eucharistic prayers.

18. False - the people may never join in with the “Through Him, with Him, in Him…” prayer. (ID 4)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. **

19. True - only the Eucharistic Prayers approved by the Vatican are to be used in Mass. (ID 5)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. **

20. True - only unleavened bread made from wheat flour and water in the preferred form of round wafers may be used. (CIC 924)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. **
 
21. False - Communion made from any substance other than unleavened bread, especially those which crumble, may never be used under any circumstances. (CIC 924)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

22. False - The Vatican Document Notitiae (Not 11 (1975) 226) stated the practice of holding hands during the Our Father should be “repudiated”. That means it should not happen, and should not continue. (see also DOL 1502)

Questionable on whether this is an abuse since “SHOULD” is used in lieu of “SHALL” or “ARE NOT TO” , so this is an not a valid question.

23. True - The actual wording is: : “Then the deacon (or the priest) may add: Let us offer each other the sign of peace.” (Note “may” does not mean it is required) (GIRM 112)

Why is this question here if it is not an abuse? Also the GIRM reference is wrong all all others so far. I will assume the others are wrong as well.

24. False - the sign of peace may not be moved to any other portion of the Mass. (GIRM 112)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

25. False - despite wide-spread acceptance, the priest is prohibited from leaving the Sanctuary to exchange peace with the congregation. (GIRM 136)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

26. True - the term preferred by Rome is “Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion” - NOT “Eucharistic Minister.” (Vatican Encyclical - DOL)

**A redundancy of question #11. Personal Note: The inadvertant use of “Eucharist Minister” may be the result of poor catechesis or of a poor RCIA program or a combination of both. The complaint of use of “Extraordinary Minister” is probably used in lieu of "“Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion” is a bit nitpicking on something that is referred to outside the Mass environment. **

27. False - The priest must always receive Holy Communion prior to those assisting at the altar. (GIRM 116-117)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

28. False - Extraordinary Ministers should not be used at Masses when there are not large numbers of the faithful in attendance, unless the priest is physically unable to distribute Communion. (IC)
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This a gray are with benefit of the actual verbage of (IC). What constitutes a large number is up to interpretation. Also: SHOULD VS SHALL ISSUE.
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29. False - No one may be refused the right to receive the Eucharist on the tongue. (AGI 240)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

30. True - altar servers, lectors and Extraordinary Ministers also have the right to receive the Eucharist on the tongue. (GIRM 117)

Redundancy from Question #29
 
31. False - changing fixed prayers of the Mass is strictly prohibited for any priest, bishop or deacon. (CIC 838)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

32. False - the faithful are not permitted to ‘self communicate’ by picking up the chalice from the altar. (HLS 47)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

**33. False - Communion by intinction (dipping the host into the chalice) must be done by the priest or Extraordinary Minister only (not the individual receiving) and must then be administered on the tongue. (HLS 45) **

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

34. False - Communion given to non-Catholics under normal circumstances is prohibited. (CIC 844)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse. Question? How does the Priest know a person is a non-Catholic? Maybe the original question should be redone to reflect the answer.

35. False - see above explanation.

Redundancy of question 34

**36. True - it is prohibited for a parish to not allow children to make their First Confession prior to their First Communion.(QS) **

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

37. False - any remaining Precious Blood must be consumed by the priest or attending Extraordinary Ministers. (HLS 34, 36, 38)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

38. True - a deacon or Extraordinary Minister may purify the vessels instead of the priest. (ID 13-15)

Why is the question even here since it is not an abuse. But it is nice to know that the Priest is not the only one that can do it. Learned something new today!

39. False - chalices made of absorbent material or material prone to corrosion are prohibited. (GIRM 291)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

40. False - the vessels used to hold Consecrated Hosts must be “noble, durable and sacred”. (ID 16)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.
 
41. True - a cross must be on or near the altar during Mass. (GIRM 270)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

42. False - an image of the Resurrected Christ may not be used in place of the cross on or near the altar. (CMRR 64)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

43. True - the Tabernacle should be ‘placed in a part of the Church that is prominent, conspicuous, beautifully decorated and suitable for prayer’ (Canon Law 938)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. **

44. False - It is prohibited for a church to be devoid of any images of the Saints. (GIRM 278)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. With the exception of Military bases where Protestant services take place. **

45. True - individuals must always genuflect when passing by the Eucharist, whether in the tabernacle or publicly exposed. (GIRM 233)

**THIS IS A BIG ABUSE AND HAVE SEEN IT EVERYWHERE. **

46. False - all are required to kneel until after the end of the ‘Sanctus’, through the Consecration, until the Great Amen. (GIRM 21, AGI 21)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. **
47. False - even if no kneelers are present, the faithful are still required to kneel during the above mentioned times, unless there is not adequate physical space to do so. (DOL 1411)

Redundancy of Queston #46

48. False - individuals may never be invited to hold hands around the altar during the Consecration. (Notitiae 17)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. **

49. True - there is no required posture after receiving Holy Communion. (GIRM 21)

Why is this question Here? It is not an abuse.
50. False - dancing of any kind during liturgical services (in Western Churches) is strictly prohibited. (Notitiae II 202-205)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. **
 
51. False - it is not permissible to substitute blue for purple as a liturgical color. (GIRM 307)

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

**52. True - Crosses and other images should be covered during this time. (PS 26) **

I’ve never witnessed this abuse.

53. True - a Directive issued by the Episcopal Conference of Bishops in the United States permits this practice.

Why is this a question? It is not an abuse?

54. True - the holy water fonts should be filled with water that was blessed during the Easter Vigil. (PS 97)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. **

55. False - directives state that only the cross and other images (i.e. statues) must be covered. The practice of covering holy water fonts only deprives the faithful of the indulgences they receive from crossing themselves with holy water upon entering and leaving church. (PS 26)

**This is an abuse at our church. The fonts are either emptied or removed. I will have this one corrected. **
Now can somebody provide a link to PS 26 so I can be welled armed when I chastise my Priest?

56. False - the priest is actually prohibited from leaving the sanctuary while giving the homily. (GIRM 97)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. **

57. True - although it is rarely done today, during the recitation of the Creed, all are required to bow or kneel at the words “by the power of the Holy Spirit…” (GIRM 98)

This is abuse I have observed forever. But I think it is due to poor catechesis and/or poor RCIA. The question I ask is this mandatory or just something preferred.
58. True - depending on how much of an abuse of approved materials occurred, the Consecration may be ‘invalid’ – that is the bread and wine remained bread and wine only, and did not become the Body and Blood of Jesus. (CIC 924)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. **

59. True - directives for choosing Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion state that they should be of ‘mature age’ and ‘outstanding piety’. (DOL 2048)

**Extremely Gray area. The state of one’s “outstanding piety” is only truely known by God. This becomes a dangerous personal opinion issue which borders on sin of judging others. The Priest or whoever is choosing an EMHC may believe the person is outstandingly pious but you may believe differently. **

60. True - to be both validly and licitly performed, Consecration of the Precious Blood requires that a small amount of water be mixed with the wine. (ID 8)

**I’ve never witnessed this abuse. **
 
After reading the questions and questions, I have some comments to make.

First. The questioner has a personal agenda. Some of the question were simply bias.

Second. The references are very poor especially the GIRM. I searched the GIRM since I know about it. The other references are not known. He should have included the actual verbage of the reference. Their is a some subtle degree of deception here.

Third. There are problems with the answers since they may or may not reflect the actual reference, since the usage of certain verbs and verb modifiers determine the actual potential abuse. Shall, should, are to never, are required to, dictate differing degrees of execution.

Fourth: Some of the questions had no place since they are not abuses but classified as optionals.

On the whole I can say that my church is relatively abuse free. Only one abuse of three can be possibly be inforced of the three I have flagged.

You can rest assured once I recieve the link, I will have the issue addressed and corrected.

Good day and God bless.
 
AJV said:
What is this in response to?

Also, not to be rude, but isn’t this more suited to L&S rather than the TC forum?
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It is appropiate for here since most TC claim to experience mass amounts of Liturgical Abuses.
 
Joey, is this a dialogue with yourself??? You appear to be asking and answering your own questions…
 
So just because you have never witnessed certain abuses, then they have never happend? I don’t know anyone here that said that all these abuses (or even some) happen at every parish that celebrates the Novus Ordo. 🤷
 
Hijikata said:
So just because you have never witnessed certain abuses, then they have never happend?
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I brought this up on the other thread. Clearly, most liturgical abuses don’t exist because Mr. Warren has never seen them.
 
SemperFidelis said:
I brought this up on the other thread. Clearly, most liturgical abuses don’t exist because Mr. Warren has never seen them.
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I’ve never claimed they don’t exist. I am responding to a perception based on the information provided by the complainers that abuses are rampant and out of control on a global pandemic scale.

What I am claiming is an abuse FACTUAL and ACTUAL or is just a MATTER of one PERSONAL OPINION.
 
First of all, this Quiz was done to answer questions that many people have asked over time. Some are not abuses, but people wondered if they were. the questions were answered with “True” or “False”. So, there is no need to comment that the question should not have been included. They were because people asked whether the practice(s) were abuses.

Secondly, since this Quiz was written some years ago, the GIRM references are probably those of the previous GIRM, not the current one.

I doubt anyone will find a church where all the abuses listed in the Quiz are experienced! I certainly hope not!! But it is common to experience some here and some there. Just because one or more of us have never observed a specific abuse does not mean that it doesn’t happen.
 
Many of these “abuses” I have experienced. I’ve only been attending Mass for a year and a half and am only thinking of two parishes. So, abuse does happen. But it depends on the area I guess and the people. I need to get outta SW Pa I guess.

Interesting thread.
 
Joan_M said:
First of all, this Quiz was done to answer questions that many people have asked over time. Some are not abuses, but people wondered if they were. the questions were answered with “True” or “False”. So, there is no need to comment that the question should not have been included. They were because people asked whether the practice(s) were abuses
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Understood.
Secondly, since this Quiz was written some years ago, the GIRM references are probably those of the previous GIRM, not the current one.
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If you are going to have something on a website, one should at least keep things current. There is no viable excuse for this, especially for a Catholic website.
I doubt anyone will find a church where all the abuses listed in the Quiz are experienced! I certainly hope not!!
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God forbid.
But it is common to experience some here and some there. Just because one or more of us have never observed a specific abuse does not mean that it doesn’t happen.
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The vast majority of Catholics would not even recognize an abuse if they saw it. Too many Catholics follow the Priest and the Laity without question. That is the reality of the situation. That is why abuses occur, because the vast majority are clueless just as I was clueless. Does any parish give everyone a copy of the GIRM? What percentage of Catholics actually know the GIRM even exists?
 
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