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anamchara
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Did you see the Halloween vedio? I think there were having mass in an office. Poor priest I’m sure he had good intentions, I have no idea what the man was thinking.
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anamchara
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We have eccumenical events in our diocese as well, now we don’t have clown masses but my question, is it aganist the Vatican for a priest to attend these?
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anamchara
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Which vedio, I don’t think I can take much more! I don’t suppose you have the famous pic of the mass outside on a surfboard, along a beach?
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netmilsmom
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See post 15 after the clown pictures.
No I don’t have the surfboard picture. Is it from your parish?
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ComradeAndrei
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That is kinda the point, such innovations are not legitimate by any stretch of the imagination.
Against the Vatican?
It is contrary to a true spirit of ecumenism to participate in an event with non-Catholics in ways that confuse the truth of the Catholic faith or that would seek an untrue unity where no such unity exists.
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anamchara
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That wasn’t a nice thing to say, you don’t know me or my anything about my parish. If you would like to ask me about it I would love to tell you anything you want to know but there’s no reason to make comments like that.
The famous surfboard mass actually ended up not being Catholic but many got all upset over just you are now. It’s not a good idea to believe everything you see about the Church. This is a huge country and no doubt these things are very rare even if they are true.
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anamchara
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Sorry I confused you. You ended up answering my question though. Thanks.That is kinda the point, such innovations are not legitimate by any stretch of the imagination.
Against the Vatican?
It is contrary to a true spirit of ecumenism to participate in an event with non-Catholics in ways that confuse the truth of the Catholic faith or that would seek an untrue unity where no such unity exists.
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the_phoenix
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My goodness, I leave for a few hours to take sunset pictures at Mapleside Farms and come back waay late to the party on an excellent discussion topic started by whosebob.
Lots of catching up to do … since Adoremus and James Hitchcock are mentioned, it looks like I’ve got some worthwhile reading ahead.
One tiny tidbit to add to the discussion meanwhile, as I see the topic of the handshake of peace has come up early on. While normally I’m not a huge fan of it for many reasons … from the possibility of spreading disease during cold and flu season to the time when the woman sitting next to me in the pew had generously been applying gobs (no exaggeration) of suntan lotion all up and down her bare arms and legs (she was wearing shorts to church) while the priest had been giving his sermon and I didn’t want a handful of smelly grease … there was one time during Midnight Mass years ago when someone with whom I’d not been on the best social terms did genuinely wish me peace and healed the relationship at that very moment with a handshake.
~~ the phoenix
Lots of catching up to do … since Adoremus and James Hitchcock are mentioned, it looks like I’ve got some worthwhile reading ahead.
One tiny tidbit to add to the discussion meanwhile, as I see the topic of the handshake of peace has come up early on. While normally I’m not a huge fan of it for many reasons … from the possibility of spreading disease during cold and flu season to the time when the woman sitting next to me in the pew had generously been applying gobs (no exaggeration) of suntan lotion all up and down her bare arms and legs (she was wearing shorts to church) while the priest had been giving his sermon and I didn’t want a handful of smelly grease … there was one time during Midnight Mass years ago when someone with whom I’d not been on the best social terms did genuinely wish me peace and healed the relationship at that very moment with a handshake.
~~ the phoenix
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Karianne
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No, I didn’t. I always miss these things!
When my uncle was dying my aunt had masses said at her home so he could attend, so is there really something wrong with saying Mass in an office?
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netmilsmom
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Make sure you read to the bottom. Check this one out…My goodness, I leave for a few hours to take sunset pictures at Mapleside Farms and come back waay late to the party on an excellent discussion topic started by whosebob.
Lots of catching up to do … since Adoremus and James Hitchcock are mentioned, it looks like I’ve got some worthwhile reading ahead.
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Tantum_ergo
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Now this was the accepted practice at the “Catholic” college I attended in the late 1970s as well as in two parishes I attended in the early 1980s. We even sang along at the Doxology, stood around the altar and held hands throughout the Mass from the beginning to the end and the sign of peace took nearly 10 minutes to complete.
As an 18 year old I found it exhilarating and I really felt important. As (ahem) an older person, I find that (speaking personally) a lot of the difficulties I found with seeking God’s will in my life were affected at least partially with having been subtly conditioned to make the Mass into “my” Mass and to make me feel more ‘important.’ In fact, I have to say that for some years, while I was trying desperately to live my Catholic faith, the Masses I carefully attended were always illicit and often invalid–with the words of the consecration altered and the hosts often homemade ‘sweet bread’. IOW, when I most needed the spiritual food and the participation in Christ’s sacrifice, I was being given not even an inferior or imitation of it–I was getting a flat out fake!
Others may have had different experiences but this was mine.
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netmilsmom
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That’s exactly what this article is about.
It makes the case that by making the community of humans a large part of the liturgy, we get so comfortable that we don’t notice the problem,or find it amusing.
You and this lady
aquietcatholic.blogspot.com/2006/09/i-was-robbed.html
Tell of the focus being on something other than Our Lord.
That one is a long read, but she found her way as you did.
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netmilsmom
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Well the final part says it all. God Bless our beloved Pope. May he live long and continue the path to correct the wrongs…
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anamchara
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I’m sorry you had this experience Tantum, I think these things are very rare. As the picture points out it was in 84 I believe. Most Catholics would notice as you did if a mass was invalid. I think these are extremes.
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Karianne
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I don’t even know if it’s legit. The Onion looks like a real newspaper but it’s only satire.
There are so many sites that have no basis in truth and some are geared to take in different religious groups so that they will send money.
Same thing with charities.
I’m very skeptical about all sensational news on the internet, but I agree, it’s amusing.
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Karianne
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Thanks for the attempt, but I don’t believe everything I read on the internet.
I’ll ask my parish priest.
I don’t think that you would deliberately lie to me but you may be fooled and I have to be very careful.
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netmilsmom
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Hopefully your priest will have a clue.
Or maybe he’ll just tell you to read post 34.
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anamchara
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This is why I find it amusing as well. The thing is, about three years ago on another Catholic board someone showed that same picture. I was told it ended up being a hoax. Anyway, I don’t think we need to get all upset over these things. No one is going to take away our mass. Our Church is too strong to be taken in by such things. I have faith.
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Tantum_ergo
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Thanks, Anamchara:
Yep, I hit the big 50 this year so I’m the ‘mid’ boom. We had a couple of years of Latin Mass that I could remember, then WHAM! everything changed. I was 14 in 1970 and had just moved from a huge city to a tiny town in a tiny state, and believe me, the 70s were incredible. From altar rails and incense and organs and pews to bare slabs, ‘fake homespun’, guitars and tambourines and folding chairs; from ‘Sunday best’ to dirty jeans and profane Ts; from devotions like May crowning to practically eliminating her and the saints or any of the “old things”; from a ritual that was steady to one where virtually every word of the Mass and every action was completely ad libbed so that one never knew what would be said or done at any given place or time. . .
Now I’m from a very traditional heritage, even with all the above (my mother’s father was from a small Bavarian town not too far from Pope Benedict!) so I had a lot of family customs, books (lovely old Latin missals etc.) to help sustain me, but until the Internet came along there was so much liturgical abuse going on that it really was almost impossible not to experience it and *not know it was abuse. * Now we can go right onto the vatican web site, we can download the real documents from Vatican II, we can go to sites like this. But from 1970 to (in my case) 2000 when I finally had fairly regular Internet access, and living in small towns with tiny libraries, it was nearly impossible to get real information! Hard to believe because we’re looking back for a longish period now, and ‘hindsight is always 20/20’ but it is true, and it’s one of the reasons why some of us have real concerns. We’ve ‘been burned’ and we don’t want other people to have to suffer!
Yep, I hit the big 50 this year so I’m the ‘mid’ boom. We had a couple of years of Latin Mass that I could remember, then WHAM! everything changed. I was 14 in 1970 and had just moved from a huge city to a tiny town in a tiny state, and believe me, the 70s were incredible. From altar rails and incense and organs and pews to bare slabs, ‘fake homespun’, guitars and tambourines and folding chairs; from ‘Sunday best’ to dirty jeans and profane Ts; from devotions like May crowning to practically eliminating her and the saints or any of the “old things”; from a ritual that was steady to one where virtually every word of the Mass and every action was completely ad libbed so that one never knew what would be said or done at any given place or time. . .
Now I’m from a very traditional heritage, even with all the above (my mother’s father was from a small Bavarian town not too far from Pope Benedict!) so I had a lot of family customs, books (lovely old Latin missals etc.) to help sustain me, but until the Internet came along there was so much liturgical abuse going on that it really was almost impossible not to experience it and *not know it was abuse. * Now we can go right onto the vatican web site, we can download the real documents from Vatican II, we can go to sites like this. But from 1970 to (in my case) 2000 when I finally had fairly regular Internet access, and living in small towns with tiny libraries, it was nearly impossible to get real information! Hard to believe because we’re looking back for a longish period now, and ‘hindsight is always 20/20’ but it is true, and it’s one of the reasons why some of us have real concerns. We’ve ‘been burned’ and we don’t want other people to have to suffer!
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