Liturgy instead of the usual daily Mass

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My grandmother went to church awhile ago. Instead of the usual daily Mass awhile ago, there was a liturgy of the word and communion officiated by an EHMC. But no eucharistic prayer happened, so my gradmother says. Just to clarify, is this allowed?
 
Was this a Sunday mass or a weekday mass? It could be that there was not a priest available or a deacon available. Not every church has daily mass.
 
My grandmother went to church awhile ago. Instead of the usual daily Mass awhile ago, there was a liturgy of the word and communion officiated by an EHMC. But no eucharistic prayer happened, so my gradmother says. Just to clarify, is this allowed?
It is allowed for some reasons. My parish has a communion service when the priests of the diocese are on their yearly retreat altogether for a few days. When a deacon is available he presides, and when not then an adult liturgical assistant presides.

At the appropriate time consecrated hosts in the proper container are brought up to the altar.
 
How long was “Awhile ago”? A while ago, say about 20 years or so, we experienced a shortage of priests, more in some places of our country than in others. At that time in our archdiocese we began to experience some priestless parishes and a lay person was appointed and hired to run the parish. Daily Mass was not available to them so they would have the Liturgy of the Word with Holy Communion that had been consecrated by a priest at a previous Mass in some other place. Also in some parishes that did have one priest, parishioners experienced for the first time occasions when no priest was available to offer Holy Mass due to some unforeseen circumstance. At the time there was no instruction of what to do when situations like that arose. Some individuals, ones who had been commissioned to serve as Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion (EMHC), had the best of intentions in doing what they thought best to do when some unexpected situation arose. However, since that time, guidelines have been established to correct liturgical abuses and to instruct what should be done in those circumstances. It is the duty of the bishop and the pastor to give instructions on what to do when certain circumstances arise. There are some situations where a lay person is allowed to lead a Liturgy of the Word with Holy Communion but usually this is not allowed on a daily basis.
See: Weekday Celebrations in the Absence of a Priest usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/frequently-asked-questions/weekday-celebrations-in-the-absence-of-a-priest.cfm
 
I have a question I hope someone can answer. In RS, it states the following:
[165.] It is necessary to avoid any sort of confusion between this type of gathering and the celebration of the Eucharist.[271] The diocesan Bishops, therefore, should prudently discern whether Holy Communion ought to be distributed in these gatherings. The matter would appropriately be determined in view of a more ample co-ordination in the Bishops’ Conference, to be put into effect after the recognitio of the acts by the Apostolic See through the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. It will be preferable, moreover, when both a Priest and a Deacon are absent, that the various parts be distributed among several faithful rather than having a single lay member of the faithful direct the whole celebration alone. Nor is it ever appropriate to refer to any member of the lay faithful as “presiding” over the celebration.
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html
If you look at this document, it appears to be referring to Sundays (in remote areas or when no Mass is available to the people due to a priest shortage.) My question is, if no deacon is available either, can a single lay person lead a communion service during the weekday? A previous bishop allowed this but I have read that any communion service must be done by more than one lay person in light of the underlined in the quote.

I’m not finding the answer in zab’s link above. Comments anyone? (Please provide appropriate church document.) Thank you!
 
My grandmother went to church awhile ago. Instead of the usual daily Mass awhile ago, there was a liturgy of the word and communion officiated by an EHMC. But no eucharistic prayer happened, so my gradmother says. Just to clarify, is this allowed?
To the best of my knowledge there is no universal answer to your question.

There is an allowance made for Liturgies of the Word with distribution of communion. Others have quoted some of the guidelines.

There has been talk and discussion about how the intention for these celebrations was to handle cases where there was no priest available to say Mass on Sundays and HDOs and therefore such celebrations ought to be restricted to Sundays and special occasions.

But as far as I know there are no absolute rules allowing or disallowing such services to replace a Mass on weekdays except any that might have been implemented by bishops’ conferences or by individual dioceses.
 
I have a question I hope someone can answer. In RS, it states the following:

If you look at this document, it appears to be referring to Sundays (in remote areas or when no Mass is available to the people due to a priest shortage.) My question is, if no deacon is available either, can a single lay person lead a communion service during the weekday? A previous bishop allowed this but I have read that any communion service must be done by more than one lay person in light of the underlined in the quote.

I’m not finding the answer in zab’s link above. Comments anyone? (Please provide appropriate church document.) Thank you!
See: Redeptionis Sacramentum vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter VI
[164.] “If participation at the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible on account of the absence of a sacred minister or for some other grave cause then it is the Christian people’s right that the diocesan Bishop should provide as far as he is able for some celebration to be held on Sundays for that community under his authority and according to the Church’s norms. Sunday celebrations of this specific kind, however, are to be considered altogether extraordinary. All Deacons or lay members of Christ’s faithful who are assigned a part in such celebrations by the diocesan Bishop should strive “to keep alive in the community a genuine ‘hunger’ for the Eucharist, so that no opportunity for the celebration of Mass will ever be missed, also taking advantage of the occasional presence of a Priest who is not impeded by Church law from celebrating Mass
[165.] It is necessary to avoid any sort of confusion between this type of gathering and the celebration of the Eucharist The diocesan Bishops, therefore, should prudently discern whether Holy Communion ought to be distributed in these gatherings. The matter would appropriately be determined in view of a more ample co-ordination in the Bishops’ Conference, to be put into effect after the recognitio of the acts by the Apostolic See through the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. It will be preferable, moreover, when both a Priest and a Deacon are absent, that the various parts be distributed among several faithful rather than having a single lay member of the faithful direct the whole celebration alone. Nor is it ever appropriate to refer to any member of the lay faithful as “presiding” over the celebration.
 
My grandmother went to church awhile ago. Instead of the usual daily Mass awhile ago, there was a liturgy of the word and communion officiated by an EHMC. But no eucharistic prayer happened, so my gradmother says. Just to clarify, is this allowed?
Considering that you’re in Philippines and there are no permanent deacons in Philippines, I’m guess what happened is that a regular weekday Mass was scheduled and Father was unable to make it to Mass time. As many others have said, there may be an existing guideline for a Communion service in the absence of a priest in your diocese. In what diocese are you located? I’m trying to look through the CBCP’s website.

EDIT: I found this from the Congregation of Divine Worship.
“Directory for Sunday Celebrations In the Absence of A Priest”
liturgyoffice.org.uk/Resources/CWC/Directory-SCAP.pdf
 
When it comes to a Liturgy of the Word with Communion during the week, this is what Redemptionis Sacramentum says on the topic:
[166.] Likewise, especially if Holy Communion is distributed during such celebrations, the diocesan Bishop, to whose exclusive competence this matter pertains, must not easily grant permission for such celebrations to be held on weekdays, especially in places where it was possible or would be possible to have the celebration of Mass on the preceding or the following Sunday. Priests are therefore earnestly requested to celebrate Mass daily for the people in one of the churches entrusted to their care.
So, if the Bishop of the Diocese allows it, it’s OK.

But note that 164-166 make it clear that Rome doesn’t think it wise to have these liturgies WITH Communion, unless there is no opportunity for Mass for a long time. When Communion is included there is a danger that the community will stop seeing Mass as important.

I can see that happening in my own parish. My own fellow parishioners have expressed their wish for Liturgy of the Word over Mass – because the community is more involved. :eek: Only reception of Communion is important to them.

Sadly, there are some Catholics who don’t even see a difference, referring to Liturgy of the Word with Communion as “Sister’s Mass” or the “Deacon’s Mass.”
 
My question is, if no deacon is available either, can a single lay person lead a communion service during the weekday? A previous bishop allowed this but I have read that any communion service must be done by more than one lay person in light of the underlined in the quote.

I’m not finding the answer in zab’s link above. Comments anyone? (Please provide appropriate church document.) Thank you!
The document says that it is “preferable” that more than one person conduct the service. That is not an absolute mandate. So the answer to your question is yes, if the pastor and bishop allow.
 
I have a question I hope someone can answer. In RS, it states the following:

If you look at this document, it appears to be referring to Sundays (in remote areas or when no Mass is available to the people due to a priest shortage.) My question is, if no deacon is available either, can a single lay person lead a communion service during the weekday? A previous bishop allowed this but I have read that any communion service must be done by more than one lay person in light of the underlined in the quote.

I’m not finding the answer in zab’s link above. Comments anyone? (Please provide appropriate church document.) Thank you!
Unless you are planning to do everything yourself, including the readings and distribution of Communion, it’s not difficult to involve more than one person.

In my parish the Leader of Prayer does the service up to the Communion Rite, the EMHC does the Communion Rite and distributes Communion; we have different readers for 1st reading, 2nd reading and the Gospel. A total of 5 people, not to mention the cantor who leads the Responsorial Psalm.
 
The document says that it is “preferable” that more than one person conduct the service. That is not an absolute mandate. So the answer to your question is yes, if the pastor and bishop allow.
thanks…the key word I missed!
 
When it comes to a Liturgy of the Word with Communion during the week, this is what Redemptionis Sacramentum says on the topic:
[166.] Likewise, especially if Holy Communion is distributed during such celebrations, the diocesan Bishop, to whose exclusive competence this matter pertains, must not easily grant permission for such celebrations to be held on weekdays, especially in places where it was possible or would be possible to have the celebration of Mass on the preceding or the following Sunday. Priests are therefore earnestly requested to celebrate Mass daily for the people in one of the churches entrusted to their care.
So, if the Bishop of the Diocese allows it, it’s OK.

But note that 164-166 make it clear that Rome doesn’t think it wise to have these liturgies WITH Communion, unless there is no opportunity for Mass for a long time. When Communion is included there is a danger that the community will stop seeing Mass as important.

I can see that happening in my own parish. My own fellow parishioners have expressed their wish for Liturgy of the Word over Mass – because the community is more involved. :eek: Only reception of Communion is important to them.

Sadly, there are some Catholics who don’t even see a difference, referring to Liturgy of the Word with Communion as “Sister’s Mass” or the "Deacon’s Mass."
Before “Redemptionis Sacramentum”, in those times when a priest was not available to offer daily Mass, it was allowed to have the Liturgy of the Word with the reception of Holy Communion. However, I believe that the Sacred Congregation For Divine Worship…became aware of what was happening particularly in those parishes without a pastor and having a lay person or a Sister assigned as the administrator. It was as you have described in your parish for the most part. I would think that it would also be difficult having children growing up in such an atmosphere to understand the loss and the difference between attending a Mass and a “Communion Service.” Otherwise I don’t really see anything bad about receiving Holy Communion under those circumstances so long as the people remained aware of their loss.
 
What you describe sounds like a communion service. Some parishes do that during the week when it’s the priest’s day off. The communion service was initially meant for circumstances on Sundays when a priest couldn’t be available for Mass. Somehow it got carried over to weekdays too, even though no one is required to go to Mass during the week as they are on Sunday.
 
I just got back from a ‘Eucharistic service’. I was absolutely shocked. It was so weird to see a lay woman acting as a priest. I asked about it and they said that Thursdays are the priest’s day off, so they have this service instead which allows them to recieve Holy Communion.

It just seemed ‘off’ to me. Is that wrong? I’m pretty stunned by the whole thing. It didn’t look or sound right to have a lay woman standing before the wooden table saying the things a priest or deacon would usually say.

They said it was the Bishop’s idea. This is only the third time I have been to this parish, and I was going to register there, since it is my neighbourhood. But seeing this has raised some concerns for me. This chapel is in the centre of one of the most densley populated areas of my city, and there was only about 10 people there, as with the daily mass that is offered. I’m worried that this might be one of those heterodox parishes run by a clique of older women.

Anybody have some advice for me?
 
It is my understanding that if a deacon is not available to preside over a communion service, then a woman can assist, who is a liturgical assistant.

She certainly does not consecrate bread or wine. Hosts are brought out that have already been consecrated so that the congregation can receive our Lord in the Eucharist.

If someone needs to correct me, please do so.

P.S. We need to pray much for more vocations to the priesthood!
 
I just got back from a ‘Eucharistic service’. I was absolutely shocked. It was so weird to see a lay woman acting as a priest. I asked about it and they said that Thursdays are the priest’s day off, so they have this service instead which allows them to recieve Holy Communion.

It just seemed ‘off’ to me. Is that wrong? I’m pretty stunned by the whole thing. It didn’t look or sound right to have a lay woman standing before the wooden table saying the things a priest or deacon would usually say.

They said it was the Bishop’s idea. This is only the third time I have been to this parish, and I was going to register there, since it is my neighbourhood. But seeing this has raised some concerns for me. This chapel is in the centre of one of the most densley populated areas of my city, and there was only about 10 people there, as with the daily mass that is offered. I’m worried that this might be one of those heterodox parishes run by a clique of older women.

Anybody have some advice for me?
Years ago, I too saw this. It is quite disconcerting to see a female come upon the altar dressed in an alb and doing most things except the consecration. The pastor of this parish would even leave a short homily for her to read. This was permitted by a former bishop but since he retired, I have never seen it again and our pastor would never allow it in our particular parish. Speaking just for myself, it offended my *sensus fidei * and it was gratifying to me to read an article a while back written by a bishop in NY who had discontinued all lay Eucharistic services. It blurs the distinction between the common and ministerial priesthood and can very easily mislead those who simply do not know their faith well. The author stated that the reception of Communion should be preceded by participation of the Sacrifice. (Perhaps a minority opinion and may God bless this faithful shepherd.)
 
Years ago, I too saw this. It is quite disconcerting to see a female come upon the altar dressed in an alb and doing most things except the consecration. The pastor of this parish would even leave a short homily for her to read. This was permitted by a former bishop but since he retired, I have never seen it again and our pastor would never allow it in our particular parish. Speaking just for myself, it offended my *sensus fidei * and it was gratifying to me to read an article a while back written by a bishop in NY who had discontinued all lay Eucharistic services. It blurs the distinction between the common and ministerial priesthood and can very easily mislead those who simply do not know their faith well. The author stated that the reception of Communion should be preceded by participation of the Sacrifice. (Perhaps a minority opinion and may God bless this faithful shepherd.)
While on Sundays I can see the benefit of a communion service if no priest is available and there are no nearby parishes, I think on weekdays it would be preferable to substitute the Office from the Liturgy of the Hours most appropriate for the time of day (e.g. Lauds in the morning, mid-day at noon or Vespers in the evening). It would accomplish many things: it would avoid confusion on the nature of the liturgy; it would introduce the laity to the most worthy prayer of the LOTH and lastly it would avoid the “woman priest” temptation. It is most appropriate that a woman should lead the LOTH, especially a religious sister. After all women have led the Divine Office for millennia in abbeys, women’s orders and women’s congregations.

Without communion though, there is less danger/temptation to view the leader’s role as that of the priest.
 
While on Sundays I can see the benefit of a communion service if no priest is available and there are no nearby parishes, I think on weekdays it would be preferable to substitute the Office from the Liturgy of the Hours most appropriate for the time of day (e.g. Lauds in the morning, mid-day at noon or Vespers in the evening). It would accomplish many things: it would avoid confusion on the nature of the liturgy; it would introduce the laity to the most worthy prayer of the LOTH and lastly it would avoid the “woman priest” temptation. It is most appropriate that a woman should lead the LOTH, especially a religious sister. After all women have led the Divine Office for millennia in abbeys, women’s orders and women’s congregations.

Without communion though, there is less danger/temptation to view the leader’s role as that of the priest.
Now THIS, I could go for. 👍
 
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