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bkovacs
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How many of you use Christian Prayer. Or do you use something else, to recite the prayer of the church.
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tee_eff_em
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Sometimes Christian Prayer (including Proper Offices of Franciscan Saints and Blesseds), sometimes Lauds and Vespers per Annum, sometimes (Lent & Easter) Liturgia Horarum.
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bpbasilphx
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Horologion, Octoechos/Parkliti, Menaion, et c.
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btnewgent
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I have been using Christian Prayer to learn to pray the Liturgy of the Hours. Everything I have read says it is a great starting point for the LOTH.
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Joannm
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I started with Christian Prayer years ago then graduated to the full LOTH.
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Conservative
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I have to ask the following question - so I don’t start a new thread. I find it admirable seeing so many interested in the LOTH - a friend of mine began saying it months ago.
Question: What brought you to the point of saying it? I was considering doing the same - but my prayer life / schedule has been so “wanting” that I thought I should get-a-grip and start small. (even small hasn’t happened, and a poster has compared my situation to “spiritual sloth” - a well-versed description perhaps, in my case.)
But what spurs you on to pray the LOTH?
Question: What brought you to the point of saying it? I was considering doing the same - but my prayer life / schedule has been so “wanting” that I thought I should get-a-grip and start small. (even small hasn’t happened, and a poster has compared my situation to “spiritual sloth” - a well-versed description perhaps, in my case.)
But what spurs you on to pray the LOTH?
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btnewgent
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For me it was because the LOTH is the prayer of the Church. It is a prayer that is being said all times of day throughout the entire Church. I want to be a part of that. So far I haven’t got to the point that I am consistently doing it but I hope to in the future.
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DL82
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I use the Monastic Diurnal - it is so richly rooted in the psalms, and provides such a rythm for the day. I only pray Prime, Lauds, Compline (Vespers on the rare occasions I’m home in the early evening).
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btdn
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I started saying Lauds (morning prayer) and Vespers (evening prayer) with canons at a church about a two minute walk away. It’s infectious.
I bought the Daughters of St Paul one volume brievary because it has all the day time hours instead of just a selection like Christian Prayer does (and since I’m saying the principle hours with canons with their binders, all it would add is Compline [night prayer]).
One of the canons gave me the fourth volume of Catholic Publishing Houses, so I’ve just started saying the Office of Readings. It is like David came back to earth with new Psalms.
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I_Believe
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A couple of weeks ago, I stopped by a D.A.V. thrift store and found a copy of Christian Prayer for 35 cents
I’m using it as a way to get into a daily routine, and I’ve enjoyed it.
This site made it easy to figure out how to use it…
liturgyofthehours.org/todays-pages/28/65-christian-prayer
It’s a printable chart for each month.
Oh, and at the counter, the cashier asked me if I was interested in an old missal, and pulled out a St Andrews Daily Missal (EF) from under the counter. 50 cents !
Anyhow, I’ll use Christian Prayer until the Baronius Latin/English Breviary is availible.
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annem
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Anybody who want to pray the daily liturgy–google “Universalis”. It has the complete daily liturgy. Also short biographies of the saint of the day. Soooo convenient.
God bless, Annem
God bless, Annem
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tee_eff_em
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I was introduced to it in my teens by the Capuchin faculty of my highschool (we didn’t pray it with them, but we were aware of their prayers). I have prayed with *Christian Prayer *(among others) off and on for more than a quarter of a century.
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CathMass
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I use the Extraordinary Form of the LOTH. (Although I did use Christian Prayer for a while & still intend to use it as needed)
I use the Diurnale Romanum. I was inspired to start praying in this form after praying vespers with the Institute of Christ the King.
I use the Diurnale Romanum. I was inspired to start praying in this form after praying vespers with the Institute of Christ the King.
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bkovacs
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Another question to ask. Christian Prayer uses the Ordinary Form Calendar of feast days. But what if you follow the Extraordinary Form Calendar of feast days. How can we use Christian Prayer, won’t it get you confused.
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KarenElissa
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I do.
I started seeing a number of people posting on blogs about it. It was right before lent, so I thought it would be something good to start. I liked that it was this connection to the whole Church, that I’m praying along with all these people all over the world.
The other thing it has REALLY helped is my consistency in praying. That has always been something I’ve struggled with. I may do ok for a few days, maybe even a few weeks, but then a structured prayer time would just disappear. Just having this cycle has kept me a lot more consistent. I’ve only missed a couple of days when I was honestly too sick to do anything since I started right before Lent. That is WAY better than I’ve done with anything else. Granted, some days I’m more “into” it than others, but I figure putting forth at least a little bit of effort is better than nothing!
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peregrinator_it
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I use the 4 volume LOTH.
I started with the three-volume UK version (that I borrowed from the school I was teaching for a few years back.) I much prefer it because 1) I am often traveling during July/August (which is usually when weeks 17/18 of ordinary time fall) and it’s a pain to have to pack two volumes instead of one (the UK version puts most (all?) of ordinary time in one volume) and 2) I know there’s debate about whether the translations (particularly of the Psalms) are different from the US edition or not, but the translations of all parts of the Office in the UK version I used (it was from the '70s) definitely seemed better to me.
I wish that the UK version would become the official version (with the calendar altered for the region, of course) for the US.
Honestly, I would not have come to the point of saying the Divine Office if I had not attended a Latin Pauline (or “N.O.”) Mass nearly all my life. I was never exposed to the Office and didn’t even know what it was 'til I was in my 20s.
The form of the liturgy in the Mass I attended was of one piece with the Office; it had the same elements of “call-and-response” chant (the responses & ordinary), the reading of scripture, and the meditative character that I have encountered in the Office.
If I had not attended the Mass that I did, I don’t think I would have appreciated the LOTH at all or even tried to pray it; but because I was all ready familiar with many of its elements, I fell in love with it the first time I experienced it.
It was as if the Mass taught me to pray the LOTH, before I even knew what it (the LOTH) was. This is part of the reason I persist in defending the Pauline Mass (as I experienced it) on this board.
This I find difficult to respond to because I love
the LOTH. It fits me like a glove; I do much, much better spiritually and just as person when I pray it- so that’s a major motivator for me.Sometimes I do find it hard to keep a schedule; there have been busy times where I’ve just said one hour a day or just prayed Lauds and Vespers on the weekends (when I generally have more time.) Maybe that would be a way of starting small… I find that starting is the hardest part…
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AJV
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The UK fits weeks 6-34 in the third volume. I alternate between both versions and the psalms are the same. The US edition has a MUCH better and clearer layout than the UK version. I do not find the UK a problem because I’m familiar with the parts and all, but I know beginners who’ve been very confused when trying to recite the Office.The “Ordinary” parts are all over the place, and you have to flip much more.
Another minus point is that very often for the intercessions, the UK edition is less faithful to the Latin, and, especially for Sundays, makes up some of their own. I suppose that’s because they foresaw a certain measure of popular participation on Sundays especially for Vespers.
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peregrinator_it
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Perhaps then my memory is playing tricks on me. The UK version I learned on was old- from the 70s, I think, although it could have been the late 60s.
I know for sure that the translation of the canticles at least was different; I remember quite clearly that the canticle from Daniel (3:57-88, 56) for Sunday I included the lines:
“O Israel bless the Lord, O bless the Lord
and you priests of the Lord O bless the Lord”
and the “refrain” was
“to him be highest glory and praise forever”
I remember the Miserere as being different as well, but unfortunately I know so many different versions of it that I can’t swear to which it was.
I used to try and pray with my then roommate who used the current US LOTH. The way I remember it our antiphons & responsories were the same, but our psalms and canticles were different and intercession were different. I don’t remember the readings very well; the readings for the Office of the Readings were definitely different. I could, of course, be completely mistaken.
The US edition has a MUCH better and clearer layout than the UK version. I do not find the UK a problem because I’m familiar with the parts and all, but I know beginners who’ve been very confused when trying to recite the Office.The “Ordinary” parts are all over the place, and you have to flip much more.
I also remember much more flipping about, but that was more than made up for (in my case) at not having to try and squeeze another book into my already over-stuffed carry-on.
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AJV
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Yes, the canticle versions are different. Your memory is excellent, BTW:
that is the canticle.As far as I can see, the *Miserere *versions, at least currently, are the same. The only psalm that comes to mind that is NOT the same, is the Invitatory.Currently also the responsories and readings are different
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peregrinator_it
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I only remember it so well because I happened to visit a monastery that chanted that version of the canticle, so I have something to “hang” my memory on.Yes, the canticle versions are different. Your memory is excellent, BTW:
Huh. I am questioning my memory-- I’m fairly sure my roommate & I had the same responsories; otherwise I would remember them as painfully awkward (which is how I remember attempting to pray the intercessions was.)
I wish even more now that I could have kept the UK version I had (it wasn’t mine.) Besides not being able to check it, its prior owner had left it stuck full of prayer cards and holy cards from his era- there was a memorial card for JFK and an early Pope John Paul II card- and had meticulously pencilled in corrections to all the typos (missing words, rubrics not in red, etc.)
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