Liturgy of the Hours - a couple of questions

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I have just a couple of questions on the Liturgy of the Hours that I’m trying to pray (from a shortened version)

On Sundays - why is there Evening Prayer I and Evening Prayer II? Are they supposed be be used on certain days - or is it just a choice?

The Office of Readings - when is this office supposed to be read?

I particularly like the Office of Readings 👍 as they’re not always the scripture we’re more familiar with through attending Mass.

I have to say I’ve only just started these prayers and I’m trying to get into a routine with them. It’s hard to get your head around how they work but I’m getting there. What I like about the Psalms is that there always seems to be something to reflect my mood - if I’m having a hard time they’re often very consoling. But they always lift my thoughts to God.

I’d recommend this to everyone and I’m considering investing in the full version of the Daily Office rather than the shortened ‘Morning and Evening Prayer’ that I use at the moment.

Peace be with you all

Vince
 
Evening prayer 1 is said on saturday pm.

You need to get a “Saint Joseph Guide for Christian Paryer” it is published by Catholic Book Publishing Co., they publish a new one for each year, you can use it for which ever version of book (s) you use. This booklet will tell you which paryers are to be said for each day.

Good luck
 
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VincentO:
On Sundays - why is there Evening Prayer I and Evening Prayer II? Are they supposed be be used on certain days - or is it just a choice?

The Office of Readings - when is this office supposed to be read?
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Here’s a link to get you started:

universalis.com/office.htm
 
Thanks - according to this site the Office of Readings can be recited at any point during the day.

👍

Hopefully I’ll be able to get into a proper rhythm with this!
 
catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/DocumentContents/Index/2/SubIndex/39/DocumentIndex/2

This link should provide everything you want to know about the Liturgy of the Hours.

The rule for the Office of Readings is that you can sing it any time you wish.

It was originally a Night Prayer. So if you want to schedule a whole day:
Matins-Morning Prayer 6AM (1st watch)
Terce-Midmorning Prayer 9AM (2nd watch)
Sext-Midday Prayer Noon (3rd watch)
None-Midafternoon Prayer 3PM (4th watch)
Vespers-Evening Prayer 6PM (5th watch)
Matins-Office of Readings 9PM (6th watch)
Compline-Night Prayer Bedtime (Midnight is Last watch)
 
Thank you Jamie, for posting the different times for the Liturgy Of The Hours.
Very Helpful! 🙂

:blessyou:
Annie
 
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Leo44:
You need to get a “Saint Joseph Guide for Christian Paryer” it is published by Catholic Book Publishing Co., they publish a new one for each year, you can use it for which ever version of book (s) you use. This booklet will tell you which paryers are to be said for each day.
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The information is available online week-by-week at this site.

Guide for Christian Prayer
 
Here is a link to the Liturgy of the Hours Apostolate.

liturgyhours.org/

If you click on Display and booklet formats under personal prayer you will get a page that lists the days of the comming week. On those links you will find pdf files for the days prayers.
 
You must be referring to Sunday

Evening Prayer I is for the Eve before (Saturday night).

Evening Prayer II would be used for Sunday night (which happens to be Monday’s eve).

At least, that is how I have always interpreted and used it.
 
I find Madeline Pecora Nugent’s Divine Office for Dodos, available through the Confraternity of Penitents in their “gift shop” link extremely useful.

Every detail of saying the office is covered there. Best tip: In Ordinary Time, if you don’t know what week of the Psalter we are in, divide the number of the week by 4, and the remainder is your answer. E.g., this is the 26th week of Ordinary time. Divide by 4 – the remainder is 2: We’re in the second week of the Psalter.

www.penitents.org
 
I have the 1 volume book titled Lauds and Vespers, I have looked at all the links that have been provided and I am unable to find the answer to the problem I am having. I have yet to figure out the timing of when to turn from one section to the next.:confused: If anyone could please tell me the how and when of the “flipping back and forth”, I will be most grateful.:bowdown:

Linda H.
 
Linda H.:
I have the 1 volume book titled Lauds and Vespers, I have looked at all the links that have been provided and I am unable to find the answer to the problem I am having. I have yet to figure out the timing of when to turn from one section to the next.:confused: If anyone could please tell me the how and when of the “flipping back and forth”, I will be most grateful.
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Can you be more specific*? I too pray that book and would be happy to help.

(* I apologize for being obtuse to your confusion – I was an old hand at English language LotH long before L&V was published)

tee
 
I decided to try to answer Linda H’s query about Lauds and Vespers per Annum. I hope this is didactic enough to be useful, but not so much as to be patronizing. 🙂

Lauds and Vespers per Annum

Read the introductory prefaces of the book. Read the rubrics (literally: red things) in the Ordinary.

The three sections of the book.

The Ordinary. The Ordinary contains both rubrics and those parts of the office which are the same every day: The introductory verse, the Gospel cantical, the Our Father and Glory Be, the concluding verses to the prayer* and the form of dismissal. “Ordinary” here has the same root as “order” – It gives the order of prayer.

The Psalter. The Psalter contains the psalms and antiphons, readings, and other prayers for each day of a 4-week cycle. Which week of the Psalter to use depends on the week of the season. (Today is Tuesday in the 26th week or Ordinary Time – (26 / 4) = 6 with remainder 2; the remainder 2 tells us to use week 2 of the Psalter). The trickiest parts of the Psalter are the Sundays, because Sundays have prayers that change every week, not just a 4-week cycle. This is why there is a

Proper of Time. The Proper of Time has those parts of the Sunday offices that change each week, namely the Gospel canticle antiphon, and the concluding prayer. As a further complication, the canticle antiphons are in an additional 3-year cycle: A, B and C. (This year is 2004 – (2004 / 3) = 668 with no remainder; the remainder 0 tells us it is year C (A=1, B=2). NB: The liturgical year begins with the first Sunday of Advent, 4 or 5 weeks before the calendar year) Anyway, for the time being, use the antiphons marked “Year C”. If you are clever, notice that they are related to each Sunday’s Gospel reading at Mass, which is on the same 3-year cycle.

This book is written only for Ordinary Time, which is why there are only 33 weeks in the Proper instead of 52. (I use it during other seasons as well, supplementing from English Language Christian Prayer. If nothing else, the psalmody remains the same, but using 2 books requires even more flipping 😉 )

(* Note that the concluding prayers do not end with grammatical sentences, just two words. These words are to clue you to which of three different concluding verses to apply, depending on whether the prayer is directed to the Father, to the Father through the Son, or to the Son)

tee
 
Sample tour of flipping pages. Depending on what parts you’ve memorized, you may not need some of these flips to the Ordinary.

[Ordinary]
Introductory verse
Glory Be

[Psalter]
Hymn
Psalm antiphon
Psalm
[Ordinary]
Glory Be
[Back to Psalter]
Psalm antiphon

[Psalter, in case you’ve lost track]
Reading
Responsorial (NB rubrics in the Ordinary regarding the Glory Be verse)

[Proper of Time if a Sunday office, otherwise in the Psalter]
Gospel canticle antiphon

[Ordinary]
Gospel canticle
Glory be

[Back to Psalter (or Proper of Time on Sunday)]
Gospel canticle antiphon

[Psalter]
Intercessions

[Ordinary]
Our Father

[Proper of Time if a Sunday office, otherwise in the Psalter]
Concluding prayer

[Ordinary]
Concluding verse to prayer
Dismissal
 
Jamie Burns said:
catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/DocumentContents/Index/2/SubIndex/39/DocumentIndex/2

This link should provide everything you want to know about the Liturgy of the Hours.

The rule for the Office of Readings is that you can sing it any time you wish.

It was originally a Night Prayer. So if you want to schedule a whole day:
Matins-Morning Prayer 6AM (1st watch)
Terce-Midmorning Prayer 9AM (2nd watch)
Sext-Midday Prayer Noon (3rd watch)
None-Midafternoon Prayer 3PM (4th watch)
Vespers-Evening Prayer 6PM (5th watch)
Matins-Office of Readings 9PM (6th watch)
Compline-Night Prayer Bedtime (Midnight is Last watch)
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You Have Matins as morning prayer at 6 am; I think you meant Lauds. According the the tradition of the Trappist abbey near me, Matins actually occured at about 3 or 4 am; it was the 1st, rather than the 6th in the series, with Lauds as 2nd. Compline was the last, before bedtime. If you are dividing by watches, then it perhaps could be different.
 
I found the free book “Discovering Prayer” a 52 page tutorial on the Liturgy of the Hours to be very helpful. You can find it here:
prayer.rosaryshop.com/

Pax Et Bonum
 
monksofadoration.org/audiolit.html

After having the Hours for a year now, and trying to figure out how and if I am doing it right, I just found this site on Sunday. It should help just about anybody with any question about the Hours because it has audio! So you can do it with them until learn to do it yourself. Hope this helps everyone.:amen:

SFX
 
I have some additional information available about the Liturgy of the Hours at the following url:

dboyko.info/loh.html

I will have to add some additional information to it, by the looks of some of the comments here!
 
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