Liturgy of the Hours and Divine Office: what is the difference?

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TrueLight said:
I’m interested in the Benedictine office. Someone provided info in another thread but I can’t find it.

Do you have any links and is there an audio version?

Do you have a
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Do you mean the Benedictine Monastic Diurnal?
 
OraLabora said:
It isn’t the public prayer of the Church if an unapproved translation or version of the Divine Office is used. It may be a worthy personal devotion, but the Liturgy of the Hours is about more than personal devotion, it is the public prayer of the Church and is intended to be an act of unity.
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The forthcoming Baronius Press Latin+English Roman Breviary has both concordat and imprimatur, so it is “approved” as far as the translation goes.

Beyond that, what I said is true. Laymen can pray the breviary in any language they wish.
 
Will_S said:
The forthcoming Baronius Press Latin+English Roman Breviary has both concordat and imprimatur, so it is “approved” as far as the translation goes.
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That just means that they are with out error. That does not necessarily mean that they are approved texts of the Office.
Beyond that, what I said is true. Laymen can pray the breviary in any language they wish.
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As stated by OraLabora, a layman is not bound to pray the Office at all so they can do what ever they wish as a private devotion.

The Liturgy of the Hours (also called the Divine Office) is not a private devotion. It is Liturgy. It is the Prayer of the Church. When one does not use the approved texts for his/her region then they are no longer joining in the Prayer of the Church so they can not claim to be praying the LoTH.
 
 
 
TrueLight said:
Also the links to the threads are great.

What do you like about the monastic diurnal?

Someone posted this chanted Compline recently and I fell in love.
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Wow, that’s wonderful! I never saw that video before (it’s on my favorites now 😉 ) I also have the Benedictine Daily Prayer litpress.org/Detail.aspx?ISBN=0814628338 but I like the lauguage of the MD and the layout of the Psalms. The yahoo group I belong to explains it better than me:

groups.yahoo.com/group/BenedictineMonasticDiurnal/

It’s tough and frustrating (for me) to learn but someone told me not to worry. I’m not committed to read every part everyday since a I am laity. That made me feel better. :o

Here is yet another group: groups.yahoo.com/group/TradBen/?yguid=234962713
 
You should know that Monastic Diurnal is based on the pre-Vatican II version of the Benedictine Office. The current version has the same psalm layout (though with the psalms of Prime distributed to the minor hours), but with the collects, intercessions and readings from the current Liturgy of the Hours. It also uses the current version of the Benedictine calendar and the current liturgical year.

Alas I only know a source in Latin or in Latin/French.

The Diurnal also doesn’t have Vigils, IMHO the most important of the Hours for monastics.
 
One should also note that, outside the Roman Rite, the specific prayers differ by who is leading the prayers; it is appropriate to respect those particular traditions’ restrictions.

In byzantine use, when lead by a layman, all the litanies in the Byzantine hours are elided to choral repetitions of “Lord Have Mercy” and several prayers switch to alternate texts. In some of the Eastern Churches (specifically those of the Kyivan tradition), Deacon-lead forms have the litanies, but still use alternate forms for several prayers.

Further, the Eastern Churches often replace the hours with repetitions of the Jesus prayer when alone; many restrict even the layman from saying the hours without others.
 
The Liturgy of the Hours/Divine Office, as has been said earlier, is the Prayer of the Church. This goes along with the Mass.

Now I have a question. Why does it seem that people are quick to suggest versions of the Office that are not the official approved versions? When one uses something than the official approved versions from their region they are not truly practicing the Liturgy of the Hours/Divine Office, they are rather performing a private devotion.

When people ask about the Mass why don’t we point them to all the other rituals out there rather than just the approved Mass? They could sit at home an pray those as private devotions as well.

Truly the Liturgy of the Hours/Divine Office are only those works that are approved of by the Church, so when a question comes up about the LoTH/Divine Office we should restrict our answers to such. If a person is interested in a private devotion that mirrors the Office but with the understanding that it is not the Office then let them say so and then we can answer accordingly.
 
ByzCath said:
The Liturgy of the Hours/Divine Office, as has been said earlier, is the Prayer of the Church. This goes along with the Mass.

Now I have a question. Why does it seem that people are quick to suggest versions of the Office that are not the official approved versions? When one uses something than the official approved versions from their region they are not truly practicing the Liturgy of the Hours/Divine Office, they are rather performing a private devotion.

When people ask about the Mass why don’t we point them to all the other rituals out there rather than just the approved Mass? They could sit at home an pray those as private devotions as well.

Truly the Liturgy of the Hours/Divine Office are only those works that are approved of by the Church, so when a question comes up about the LoTH/Divine Office we should restrict our answers to such. If a person is interested in a private devotion that mirrors the Office but with the understanding that it is not the Office then let them say so and then we can answer accordingly.
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Hi ByzCath,

Which of the ones listed are not approved?
 
TrueLight said:
Hi ByzCath,

Which of the ones listed are not approved?
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Well, just incase he was referring to the MD, I am aware that it is a private devotion and not a Prayer of the Church. I aplologize for not clarifying that. 😦

I also apologize for going off topic. That is why I gave the links to the other threads, so we wouldn’t go off topic.

Let’s get back to the Liturgy of the Hours/Divine Office. 🙂
 
ByzCath said:
The Liturgy of the Hours/Divine Office, as has been said earlier, is the Prayer of the Church. This goes along with the Mass.

Now I have a question. Why does it seem that people are quick to suggest versions of the Office that are not the official approved versions? When one uses something than the official approved versions from their region they are not truly practicing the Liturgy of the Hours/Divine Office, they are rather performing a private devotion.

When people ask about the Mass why don’t we point them to all the other rituals out there rather than just the approved Mass? They could sit at home an pray those as private devotions as well.

Truly the Liturgy of the Hours/Divine Office are only those works that are approved of by the Church, so when a question comes up about the LoTH/Divine Office we should restrict our answers to such. If a person is interested in a private devotion that mirrors the Office but with the understanding that it is not the Office then let them say so and then we can answer accordingly.
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Agree completely that’s why, when I suggest using the Benedictine Office, I suggest using the current schemas that are approved (Schemas A, B, C and D); Schema A is the traditional Office of St. Benedict, but adapted to match the Liturgy of the Hours’ lectionary, collects, seasons and in part, calendar (the Benedictines have their own version).

I myself use Schema B in one of its approved variants (all psalms in 2 weeks, the basic Schema B is all psalms in one week), because I am oblate of an abbey that uses that schema (though they do it in 1 week; work and family obligations are such that 2 weeks works better for me).

In principle though, unless one is an oblate or an oblate novice, or is attending Offices in a monastery, or is affiliated with any of the orders with their own Office, one should use an approved version of the Roman Rite (1 or 4-volume, approved translation).
 
OraLabora said:
In principle though, unless one is an oblate or an oblate novice, or is attending Offices in a monastery, or is affiliated with any of the orders with their own Office, one should use an approved version of the Roman Rite (1 or 4-volume, approved translation).
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Is the Breviarium Romanum, approved?
 
TrueLight said:
Is the Breviarium Romanum, approved?
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Yes, but it is 100% Latin (including the instructions), so it’s helpful to have a good knowledge of Latin before using it.

Of course, there is the possibility of a bilingual Breviarum Romanum, such as the forthcoming Baronius Press edition.
 
Will_S said:
Yes, but it is 100% Latin (including the instructions), so it’s helpful to have a good knowledge of Latin before using it.

Of course, there is the possibility of a bilingual Breviarum Romanum, such as the forthcoming Baronius Press edition.
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I have the bilingual one on my iPhone. 😃

The app is called brev meum.
 
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