ByzeCath your post have been very informative and thank you for that. Is there a chance that the English will be approved? Also Its my interpretation that Shorter Christian Prayer is approved is this correct?Again, you are wrong.
I have not been dismissive.
I just want those who chose to pray an unapproved version to be aware that they are not participating in the Liturgy of the Hours but are practicing a private devotion, if you find that dismissive then that seems to be your issue and I refuse to own that.
The older version, which would be the old Breviary in Latin, is not a private devotion and I have not called it one. It is an approved version of the Liturgy of the Hours and in post have I said that it is not such.
Maybe you have read all the posts but you have gravely misunderstood them if you did.
I do not think they will approve the English of the old Latin Breviary.ByzeCath your post have been very informative and thank you for that. Is there a chance that the English will be approved? Also Its my interpretation that Shorter Christian Prayer is approved is this correct?
And what do you recommend? This is not easy at all. I want to be in union but at the same time I don’t want to sing protestant songs that are in some of the approved Breviarys
You would still be in union with the Church if you chose to pray some other office or pray the old version in English, you would just be practicing a private devotion instead of the Liturgy of the Hours. If you mean that you want to pray the Liturgy of the Hours as the Church has prescribed it, then yes you should use an approved version.Again thanks for your posting
Night Prayer IS contained in Shorter Christian Prayer.It all depends on what hours you wish to pray. If you are just sticking with Morning and Evening Prayer then with Shorter Christian Prayer or Christian Prayer will work, if you wish to add any or all the other others (one of the Daytime Prayer, Office of the Reading, Night Prayer) then the 4 volume would be better. (Night Prayer is also found in Christian Prayer (not sure if it is in Shorter) and an abbreviated version of Daytime and Office of Readings are also in it.)
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Thanks!Night Prayer IS contained in Shorter Christian Prayer.
YesJust to make sure, is this the prayer book everybody is talking about?
amazon.com/Shorter-Christian-Prayer-Four-Week-Containing/dp/0899424082
Thanks.
I have no idea on that one, perhaps somebody else could chime in.What about The Roman Breviary. An approved English translation complete in one volume from the official text of the Breviarium Romanum authorized by the Holy See edited by Rev. Bede Babo, OSB? Was that just transitional, or is it still approved?
As I said, perhaps you did not mean your statements that way. I apologize for mis-reading your intention.I have not been dismissive.
I assume then that if you are praying the Office of Readings your community is using a lectionary since Christian Prayer only has a selection of readings. Out of curiosity, what lectionary are you using, and is it a 1 or 2 year cycle? I use the same lectionary as my community, it’s the 2-year lectionary published by Solesmes; the patristic readings lean heavily on monastic sources as one would expect.My current community uses Christian Prayer.
As a community we only pray Morning and Evening in common. We do the rest on our own. Only the pre-novitiate and novitiate communities pray the Office of Readings in common.I assume then that if you are praying the Office of Readings your community is using a lectionary since Christian Prayer only has a selection of readings. Out of curiosity, what lectionary are you using, and is it a 1 or 2 year cycle? I use the same lectionary as my community, it’s the 2-year lectionary published by Solesmes; the patristic readings lean heavily on monastic sources as one would expect.
A little-known aspect of the Benedictine office as prescribed by St. Benedict is the option in the summer months (Easter until November; I guess winter started quite late in southern Italy!), is to shorten the readings. In practical terms, it means a shorter scripture reading and replacing the patristic reading with a short scripture reading.
I assume then that if you are praying the Office of Readings your community is using a lectionary since Christian Prayer only has a selection of readings. Out of curiosity, what lectionary are you using, and is it a 1 or 2 year cycle? I use the same lectionary as my community, it’s the 2-year lectionary published by Solesmes; the patristic readings lean heavily on monastic sources as one would expect.
A little-known aspect of the Benedictine office as prescribed by St. Benedict is the option in the summer months (Easter until November; I guess winter started quite late in southern Italy!), is to shorten the readings. In practical terms, it means a shorter scripture reading and replacing the patristic reading with a short scripture reading.
What do you guys mean by lectionary? Is this the Reading of the Mass for that particular day? And are they incorporated in any of the LOTHs?As a community we only pray Morning and Evening in common. We do the rest on our own. Only the pre-novitiate and novitiate communities pray the Office of Readings in common.
So for the Offices other than MP and EP, I use my 4 volume.
We do have a companion which covers the Carmelite saints on our calendar, I use that for those days.
A lectionary of sorts can be used for the readings that are part of the Office of Readings. I believe this would be more for the Benedictines that really have a form of the Divine Office all their own.What do you guys mean by lectionary? Is this the Reading of the Mass for that particular day? And are they incorporated in any of the LOTHs?
I’m learning a lot so thanks to you all.
I think the two-year cycle of readings can be used by anyone. If you look in the 4-volume LOTH, you’ll see references to the readings to use for the 2-year cycle.A lectionary of sorts can be used for the readings that are part of the Office of Readings. I believe this would be more for the Benedictines that really have a form of the Divine Office all their own.
Also we have a Companion for the Breviary that contains our Carmelite saints and the propers for them. Most religious communities will have this sort of thing.
Ah, I think the older 3 volume version you are referring to is the one used in Ireland, England and Australia. It has the same translation of the psalms as the American 4 volume version of the LOTH but has different translations of the canticles. I find the 3 volume version to be nicer - easier to chant.I was confused, my formation class uses “Christian Prayer” which I realize is the Liturgy of the Hours.
I looked at my older 3 volume Divine Office and it has The Divine Office I, II, and III but in the inside it says, “The Divine Office The Liturgy of the Hours According to the Roman Rite as renewed by decree of the second vatican council and promulagted by the authority of pope paul VI”
It’s from 1974. I find it so interesting because the words are so different from the Christian prayer that we pray in my classes. I will have to compare the two.
So, basically can you use the terms LOTH, Divine Office, and Breviary interchangeably?
Blessings.