Liturgy of the Hours?

[Joe_Kelley]

Why is the LOTH on Universalis not the one for liturgical use? What is the difference? (I think I’m so confused).

Scout :tiphat:

The official LOTH is copyrighted, by the UXCCB I think, and cannot be posted without permission. Universalis uses another translation of the Scripture and prayers that is not copyrighted. It omits portions, chiefly antiphons and hymns, that are not available without a copyright.

It is a good guide. I especially value it for the Readings of the Office of the Readings which are not in the single volume Christian Prayer.

 

[yinekka]

I bought the one volume ****Daily Prayer from The Divine Office ****and it sat on my library shelf for over a year despite help from our pastoral associate and curate. I discovered The Liturgy of the Hours for Dodos by Madeline Pecora Nugent and I haven’t looked back. divineofficefordodos.com/

To help me know what feasts and solemnities were celebrated I purchased an ordo - the celebration of Liturgy of the Hours in Australia and New Zealand and it has been a great help.

To help me understand the psalms I bought Psalms and Canticles - Meditations and Catechesis on the Psalms and Canticles of Morning and Evening Prayer - 2 books begun by John Paul II and completed by Benedict XVI.

Augustine thank you for those great links. The Australian psalm translation (grail) is different to the one used in the USA but I can still profit from the help offered on these sights.

 

[imacountrylass]

Thank you guys so much!
The third order I am looking into is the Secular Order of Discalced Carmelites(OCDS). I am sure this is where I am called to be and I know God will give me the grace to learn all I need to know.
Your comments are so helpful. There is actually at least 5 ppl. in my parish that I can think of that pray the LOTH, and I’m sure they would be willing to help me. two of them are OCDS themselves, so they will know what I need to learn.
I will look in to the books and references that are suggested though.
God Bless! And thanks again.

 

[Augustine]

Why is the LOTH on Universalis not the one for liturgical use? What is the difference? (I think I’m so confused).

See their FAQ. Basically, for those who are obligated to say the Breviary, Universalis is not a substitute to the book(s). But, for those who say it out of devotion and in private, it’s quite fine.

HTH

 

[richardwy]

I do have the Christian Prayer book, but I don’t know how to use it. I bought it at the end of the Liturgical Year and they were out of instructions . So, I have this book and am completely clueless.

Don’t deny yourself the pleasure and joy of reading the instructions in the front. Take a walk with the Church, the Apostles, and the Fathers.

 

[porthos11]

I do have the Christian Prayer book, but I don’t know how to use it. I bought it at the end of the Liturgical Year and they were out of instructions . So, I have this book and am completely clueless.

The best place to quickly get instructions are in the Ordinary. Those red instructions are usually sufficient to get one up and running. Take time to go through them.

 

[AJV]

I bought the one volume ****Daily Prayer from The Divine Office ****and it sat on my library shelf for over a year despite help from our pastoral associate and curate. I discovered The Liturgy of the Hours for Dodos by Madeline Pecora Nugent and I haven’t looked back. divineofficefordodos.com/

To help me know what feasts and solemnities were celebrated I purchased an ordo - the celebration of Liturgy of the Hours in Australia and New Zealand and it has been a great help.

To help me understand the psalms I bought Psalms and Canticles - Meditations and Catechesis on the Psalms and Canticles of Morning and Evening Prayer - 2 books begun by John Paul II and completed by Benedict XVI.

Augustine thank you for those great links. The Australian psalm translation (grail) is different to the one used in the USA but I can still profit from the help offered on these sights.

The USA uses the Grail as well except for very few psalms (like the Invitatory). But the antiphon translations are different

 

[AJV]

Don’t the Carmelites have their own breviary, like the Franciscans do? …

Is there such a breviary for the OCD? I thought there was one for the O’Carm. and there is an edition for the Benedictines.

Just a question. Because if the poster is going to join a secular order with its own liturgical calendar, he is better off spending the money on their breviary now, than buying the inserts later. It turns out more expensive when you buy piece by piece. The publishing companies are merciless when it comes to pricing.

JR

There is this book (I have some parts of it- regrettably couldn’t photocopy the whole thing because I had to return it) which has the Proper Carmelite Offices for the LOTH for both the O.Carm. and the OCD. I don’t know whether they even print it anymore. At the front there is an index showing all the feasts with letters to indicate their ranks in the O.Carm and OCD calendars. For example, some (like BVM, Mother of Divine Grace) are observed by one and not the other. Some are solemnities on the O.Carm calendar but feasts on the OCD and vice versa

Fr. Boyd (who is now a CAF member) has transcribed the Proper for the OCD (not the O.Carm) here

 

[JReducation]

There is this book (I have some parts of it- regrettably couldn’t photocopy the whole thing because I had to return it) which has the Proper Carmelite Offices for the LOTH for both the O.Carm. and the OCD. I don’t know whether they even print it anymore. At the front there is an index showing all the feasts with letters to indicate their ranks in the O.Carm and OCD calendars. For example, some (like BVM, Mother of Divine Grace) are observed by one and not the other. Some are solemnities on the O.Carm calendar but feasts on the OCD and vice versa

Fr. Boyd (who is now a CAF member) has transcribed the Proper for the OCD (not the O.Carm) here

Isn’t it interesting to see how these things are worked out? I find them so; but maybe I lead a very boring life. LOL

The three Franciscan Orders came together during the mid 1980s and came up with the Roman-Franciscan Breviary, Lectionary, Sacramentary and calendar for the three orders.

However, the congreations were not included. It’s up to them to use the Roman-Franciscan calendar or not. Only the Friars, Nuns and Secular/Regular Franciscans were included, because they actually are the three orders. Communities like the Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word are not part of the Franciscan Orders or Sisters of St. Francis. They are independent, even though they are part of the extended family.

I don’t know about the Carmelites, but I know that our friars are struggling with the EF, because the liturgical calendars do not math. The old Francisican calendar doesn’t match the new one. But they have to wait for the Vatican to work out the kinks and bring the OF and the EF calendar into sync, before the General Chapter can bring the Franciscan calendar into sync.

Everyone thought it would be so simple. Just throw in the EF masses. Yeah right! Really easy when you have all of these calendars floating around.

I wonder how that is working out with other mendicant and monastic orders who are the ones that usually follow their own liturgical calendars.

If anyone knows anything about it, I would love to know how they are doing it.

JR