Livestock AI - seriously. Not trolling

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Is it morally acceptable to use AI (artificial insemination) on livestock? I have a rare breed, valuable, rooster with no interest in his hens, which is a big roadblock to the breeding program I’m working on.

Why might it be immoral? Because AI on livestock involves collecting certain body fluids from the males by the human farmer or veterinarian, which can only be done by causing the animal sexual stimulation.

Animal breeders I know consider this unpleasant but a routine agricultural practice. But is it a form of bestiality, and thus sinful?
 
It’s not beastiality. It’s just medicine. Animals aren’t humans. They’re animals. The farmer isn’t getting hot and heavy over it. He’s just trying to do his job. Another thing, artificial insemination is wrong for marriage.

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Animal breeders I know consider this unpleasant but a routine agricultural practice
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This means that the animals that do not want to breed for whatever reason are having their genes forcibly passed on. It seems like that could be bad for the species, and the farmers. Maybe that’s why your rooster isn’t interested in your hens. That would seem like an ethical issue to me.
 
It’s so much easier to AI then to keep bulls or boars or incur the expense of importing an animal for genetic variation and improvement.

Ever seen the process for collection? It also preserves critically endangered species.
 
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I have a rare breed, valuable, rooster with no interest in his hens, which is a big roadblock to the breeding program I’m working on.
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It seems to me, the real moral question is, what if your rooster is Gay? 🤣
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Why might it be immoral? Because AI on livestock involves collecting certain body fluids from the males by the human farmer or veterinarian, which can only be done by causing the animal sexual stimulation.
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Actually, the father of modern genetics is Gregor Johann Mendel, Augustinian friar and abbot of St. Thomas’ Abbey in Brno, Margraviate of Moravia. Mendel through his practice of artificial insemination of pea plants, who discovered the fundamental laws of inheritance.

So you are in certainly good Catholic company! He was probably focusing on a different set of inheritance than you.
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Animal breeders I know consider this unpleasant but a routine agricultural practice. But is it a form of bestiality, and thus sinful?
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Bestiality is satisfying one’s sexual desires with animals.
 
Cloning really has nothing to do with the question. The question was basically whether sexually stimulating an animal for an agricultural purpose was morally acceptable.
 
I’ve never heard of AI with roosters before :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Yes, fine with animals .
 
Of course it’s not bestiality, but that’s irrelevant.

Animals are not things. They are creatures of God, and therefore have a definite dignity. Man is capable of recognizing this dignity. For man to disregard this, and forcibly exploit animals in utterly unnatural ways, is a gross offense. As for the specific case of AI, it comes down to robbing a male specimen of its semen and forcibly impregnating female specimens. It is an atrocity, an offense against nature, and (therefore) an offense against God. Breeders calling this practice “unpleasant” yet continue with it anyway are duplicitous scoundrels. It’s one thing to be cruel and not realize that you’re being cruel; thats just callousness, a.k.a. hardness of heart. It’s whole another thing to know that you’re being cruel, label it “unpleasant”, and then keep on doing it.

As for the point made earlier in the thread that it’s “easier” than keeping male specimens, and avoids “incurring cost”, this line of reasoning says it all: in this day and age, an ethical question on a religious forum is answered with a financial consideration and concern for convenience. God help us.
 
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http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a7.htm#2415

Respect for the integrity of creation

**[2415]( The seventh commandment enjoins respect for the integrity of creation. Animals, like plants and inanimate beings, are by nature destined for the common good of past, present, and future humanity.195 Use of the mineral, vegetable, and animal resources of the universe cannot be divorced from respect for moral imperatives. Man’s dominion over inanimate and other living beings granted by the Creator is not absolute; it is limited by concern for the quality of life of his neighbor, including generations to come; it requires a religious respect for the integrity of creation.196

**[2416] Animals are God’s creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory.197 Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals.

**[2417] God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image.198 Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.

*[2418] It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.
 
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Animal breeders I know consider this unpleasant but a routine agricultural practice. But is it a form of bestiality, and thus sinful?
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I don’t see why they’d think it particularly unpleasant. I live in a part of Ireland famous for horse breeding and racing. This sort of thing is just viewed as part of the job. They’re just animals. It’s hardly beastiality, just part of rural life.
 
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