Living in the Country

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I’ve started reading “Farm Flop: A City-Dweller’s Guide to Failing on a Farm in Two Years or Less.” Good stuff and only 99 cents as an Amazon Kindle download! It’s the current best-seller in Amazon’s Garden and Horticulture section.
 
I’ve started reading “Farm Flop: A City-Dweller’s Guide to Failing on a Farm in Two Years or Less.” Good stuff and only 99 cents as an Amazon Kindle download! It’s the current best-seller in Amazon’s Garden and Horticulture section.
I can just about guess its contents. Two grave mistakes people make in attempting to go “back to the land”:
  1. Having insufficient knowledge of what it takes to do it.
  2. As almost a subpart to the first, being insufficiently capitalized.
 
Pertaining to the drug problem–

Medical resources are almost always limited in rural areas. When people go to the doctor for pain, oftentimes the most reasonable treatment is an addictive opioid analgesic.

In most cases, people ought to be prescribed other interventions (physical rehab, other medications, other therapies, etc.) but because those things could be in short supply or non-existent, the doctor reaches for the prescription pad and writes for Vicodin, Fentanyl, or Oxycontin.

The profile of an opioid drug addict is a white middle aged man. And unfortunately, that’s the profile of victims of fatal overdoses.
 
I can just about guess its contents. Two grave mistakes people make in attempting to go “back to the land”:
  1. Having insufficient knowledge of what it takes to do it.
  2. As almost a subpart to the first, being insufficiently capitalized.
I’m in the second chapter or so, but so far I’m noting:
  1. That minor experiments (bees, backyard chickens, etc.) are pretty safe, but that it should be regarded as a hobby or consumption, rather than as a source of actual income.
  2. The initial start up costs and effort can be phenomenal. So far, they’ve had to clear enormous amounts of garbage out of their new property. I expect that is par for the course–in my experience, even well-run farms have tremendous amounts of junk. They’ve also discovered that their pond/tank (a crucial item in rain-starved Texas) has to be relined in order to hold water.
  3. I’m in the middle of a section about a neighbor who is paying to graze livestock on their small property and am starting to hear the Jaws music in my head when the neighbor tells them that sure, the grass may look done, but there’s still three good weeks of grazing in it. My family has a cattle ranch in rainy Washington, and even in that lush climate, my dad tells me that a lot of people in the area with small pasturage destroy their land with overgrazing–if you hit it hard, it just does not bounce back. We live in TX now ourselves, and I can only imagine how destructive it is to overgraze in our climate.
 
I’m in the second chapter or so, but so far I’m noting:
  1. That minor experiments (bees, backyard chickens, etc.) are pretty safe, but that it should be regarded as a hobby or consumption, rather than as a source of actual income.
  2. The initial start up costs and effort can be phenomenal. So far, they’ve had to clear enormous amounts of garbage out of their new property. I expect that is par for the course–in my experience, even well-run farms have tremendous amounts of junk. They’ve also discovered that their pond/tank (a crucial item in rain-starved Texas) has to be relined in order to hold water.
  3. I’m in the middle of a section about a neighbor who is paying to graze livestock on their small property and am starting to hear the Jaws music in my head when the neighbor tells them that sure, the grass may look done, but there’s still three good weeks of grazing in it. My family has a cattle ranch in rainy Washington, and even in that lush climate, my dad tells me that a lot of people in the area with small pasturage destroy their land with overgrazing–if you hit it hard, it just does not bounce back. We live in TX now ourselves, and I can only imagine how destructive it is to overgraze in our climate.
Interestingly, at present and in this part of the country, it’s often economically viable to rent pasture land from others. That is, if one owns one’s cattle free and clear already.

You’re right about overgrazing. The general rule of thumb around here is that you need to leave four inches of blade during the growing seasons. It takes that for adquate photosynthesis. For some grasses that’s probably not true, or not always true. Warm season grasses, for example, should be grazed close at the end of the season because they have photosynthesized all they’re going to do, and there’s no reason to waste it. That’s especially true if one is going to interseed winter wheat or rye for winter grazing.

The same is true in midwinter if one is going to introduce or increase legume growth (say, clover) in an existing cool season grass pasture (like fescue). Need to graze it short then. Again, it has done all the photosynthesizing it’s going to do until late winter/early spring, and the clover won’t grow well through a thick stand of grass. But there is some price to pay for doing it. Grass comes on earlier if there is a fairly good ground cover. Insulation.
 
I would not enjoy country living. As someone who grew up in a small town, I’m still refreshed and excited by what cities have to offer. I’m in a major city now, and sure the cost of living is very high, but there is so much more culture and so much more to do. Traffic is a nuisance, and driving in cities will always be a layer of hell, but I still prefer it. It’s nice to be able to try all kinds of new food, to go to concerts, to have stores all around that offer unique items, to be able to meet all kinds of interesting people. You can definitely still be lonely with millions of people around, but once you find your friends, you have a lot more that you can go out and do with them. I do think that you have to get away every so often to the mountains–to nature–to keep your sanity. You have to find a good balance.

I have friends in this city now who have just left their small town for the first time in their mid-20s, and they are much more naive and easily shocked. I think it’s good to expose your kids to various types of living, isolation doesn’t work. And as for the complaints about drugs, you will find drugs wherever you go. The big difference is probably just the kinds of drugs that your kids will encounter. Meth in the country; molly in the city, and so on. You have to teach them how to deal with the situation of being presented with drugs.

The unfortunate thing about cities is that you need a lot of money to live well with a family. I don’t have any kids, so things like schools and having to pay for others isn’t a real factor. Living slightly outside of cities, but still in the metro area or still close enough to drive in, is always a good option. You can have a little more peace and quiet at night, but still have benefits of the city’s culture. Being isolated in the country is seen as idyllic by some, but I think that others have brought up some of the negatives. Poverty, lack of culture, lack of education and opportunity…it’s not all beautiful gallivanting through the land.
 
I would not enjoy country living. As someone who grew up in a small town, I’m still refreshed and excited by what cities have to offer. I’m in a major city now, and sure the cost of living is very high, but there is so much more culture and so much more to do. Traffic is a nuisance, and driving in cities will always be a layer of hell, but I still prefer it. It’s nice to be able to try all kinds of new food, to go to concerts, to have stores all around that offer unique items, to be able to meet all kinds of interesting people. You can definitely still be lonely with millions of people around, but once you find your friends, you have a lot more that you can go out and do with them. I do think that you have to get away every so often to the mountains–to nature–to keep your sanity. You have to find a good balance.

I have friends in this city now who have just left their small town for the first time in their mid-20s, and they are much more naive and easily shocked. I think it’s good to expose your kids to various types of living, isolation doesn’t work. And as for the complaints about drugs, you will find drugs wherever you go. The big difference is probably just the kinds of drugs that your kids will encounter. Meth in the country; molly in the city, and so on. You have to teach them how to deal with the situation of being presented with drugs.

The unfortunate thing about cities is that you need a lot of money to live well with a family. I don’t have any kids, so things like schools and having to pay for others isn’t a real factor. Living slightly outside of cities, but still in the metro area or still close enough to drive in, is always a good option. You can have a little more peace and quiet at night, but still have benefits of the city’s culture. Being isolated in the country is seen as idyllic by some, but I think that others have brought up some of the negatives. Poverty, lack of culture, lack of education and opportunity…it’s not all beautiful gallivanting through the land.
Ditto. I have lived in a rural area all my life-fortunately, I made it to a university. Had I not been able to attend college, I’d still be quite ignorant and underexposed to everything, really.
 
Ditto. I have lived in a rural area all my life-fortunately, I made it to a university. Had I not been able to attend college, I’d still be quite ignorant and underexposed to everything, really.
That’s largely true no matter where one lives. There are, however, exceptions. My own father never made it out of the ninth grade, but he admired knowledge and culture and, on his own, became well-read. There was little in the way of literature he didn’t know, and made some contributions to a literary publication himself. He was adept at chess, occasionally winning chess problem contests that used to be printed in newspapers of his younger years. My mother was of a similar mind, and conversation at dinner really was enlightening.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that in the not terribly distant past, people in the middle class and above were much more accomplished than most are now. I recall my father tellng me there were various musical instruments in common barbershops, and people would take them down and play them for their own entertainment and that of the other patrons while they waited. Now and then they would also sing; undoubtedly the origin of the “barbershop quartet”.

If one reads really old newspapers, one can become embarrassed for one’s own time without undue difficulty. As an example, I recall reading a “social” article about a number of “the younger set” who met at the home of one of them to perform a segment of a serious play of the time. Sometimes they assembled for poetry readings or musical recitals. It was apparently not terribly uncommon for people to get together and play very serious classical pieces as well as popular airs of the era. Of course, back then, there was no TV and no social media, so what was the “younger set” to do? 🙂 The poor kids had to make do with Shakespeare and Paderewski. :bigyikes:

Among my grandmother’s leavings, I found numerous issues of “Etude” magazine, seemingly a well-subscribed publication of her time which was dedicated to articles about music, performances, artists and so on, with portions of compositions by various composers. I’ll admit, she did complete the eighth grade.

If that was the case in small towns, what would it have been in cities? Of course, there would have been those in both who couldn’t write anything but perhaps their own names.

All of that was in the small town in which my father grew up, of probably about 4,000 at the time. That town now has a population of about 15,000 or so, and has its own citizen orchestra and people who put on plays from time to time for the public.

Today, though, I think there is a significant “falling off” from that, and not just in small towns. Truthfully, I don’t even think the “cultural literacy” prevalent in most colleges now is equal to that when I was in college myself.

Strange to tell, when I graduated from college, even English majors and history majors had little trouble finding jobs. Without really knowing, I’m going to guess that there was not the emphasis on functionality in higher education that there is now. Perhaps the numbers of graduates was lower, per capita, as well, so those who really wanted to attain some level of cultural education could do it without making themselves unemployable.

Realizing as I do that the interviewees are probably “cherry picked” at least somewhat, it is sometimes amusing to see the “Watters’ World” on Bill O’Reilley’s show. Watters doesn’t seem to have undue difficulty finding astonishing ignorance even on the campuses of prestigious universities. Was it always so? I doubt it. I don’t think, for example, anyone with whom I attended college would not have known who Robert E. Lee was, or have been unaware of who ruled Germany in World War II. In fact, I doubt anyone with whom I attended high school would have been that ignorant, and I attended a rural, public high school back in the day.
 
Today, though, I think there is a significant “falling off” from that, and not just in small towns. Truthfully, I don’t even think the “cultural literacy” prevalent in most colleges now is equal to that when I was in college myself.

Strange to tell, when I graduated from college, even English majors and history majors had little trouble finding jobs. Without really knowing, I’m going to guess that there was not the emphasis on functionality in higher education that there is now. Perhaps the numbers of graduates was lower, per capita, as well, so those who really wanted to attain some level of cultural education could do it without making themselves unemployable.

Realizing as I do that the interviewees are probably “cherry picked” at least somewhat, it is sometimes amusing to see the “Watters’ World” on Bill O’Reilley’s show. Watters doesn’t seem to have undue difficulty finding astonishing ignorance even on the campuses of prestigious universities. Was it always so? I doubt it. I don’t think, for example, anyone with whom I attended college would not have known who Robert E. Lee was, or have been unaware of who ruled Germany in World War II. In fact, I doubt anyone with whom I attended high school would have been that ignorant, and I attended a rural, public high school back in the day.
Well, I can tell you that at my university, people are just that ignorant. During the 2012 elections a group of campus went around and did basic interviews, simple, common knowledge. The response was astoundingly ignorant.

That, and the fact that there is an obsession with functional education now-it’s not a pretty picture. Maybe liberal arts degrees would be better for jobs if the person holding the degree actually got a liberal arts education?
 
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