Living Together before Marriage

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Hello all,

I will keep this simple and short. I’m a catholic male who is currently living with his fiancé. We were engaged over a year ago, and plan to marry in June. However, I feel very guilty about living together before marriage. I was blinded by my own happiness instead of “following the rules” of remaining alone until marriage. In fact, ever since moving in we’ve had numerous arguments and discrepancy’s about all sorts of things. She was previously married, but has gone thru (and received) an annulment. She knows how close I hold my faith to my heart (or try to at least) and feel moving out until marriage might clarify some issues we’ve been having. Has anyone been through this? Any advice would be great.

Thank you
 
Can you stay with family for the next few months? That would be the simplest solution. I think you will recieve alot of grace if you follow God’s plan. When my husband and I were engaged, we actually bought a house together, but I still spent the night at my mother’s home until the wedding.
 
I can, but they live an hour and a 20 min away. I would be willing to make that sacrifice and have thought of that scenario too. It would be hectic for the next for months but get the feeling it would be the right thing to do…

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I think moving back to your parents would be an awesome idea. It will ease your conscious and provide you an opportunity to go to confession. The distance of 1 hour and 20 minutes for a few months is minor compared to making a lifelong marriage better

Angie
 
Hello all,

I will keep this simple and short. I’m a catholic male who is currently living with his fiancé. We were engaged over a year ago, and plan to marry in June. However, I feel very guilty about living together before marriage. I was blinded by my own happiness instead of “following the rules” of remaining alone until marriage. In fact, ever since moving in we’ve had numerous arguments and discrepancy’s about all sorts of things. She was previously married, but has gone thru (and received) an annulment. She knows how close I hold my faith to my heart (or try to at least) and feel moving out until marriage might clarify some issues we’ve been having. Has anyone been through this? Any advice would be great.

Thank you
Just for clarification, have you approached the Church yet regarding getting married yet. The reason why I’m asking is because it you did, the priest would likely (and properly) make an issue of your living arrangements, which could delay your marriage.
 
You can move out and move in with your parents.

But know…that as long as you repent your sins, live chastely and dedicate your Marriage to God by always involving Him in your Marriage…it won’t matter if did live together before or not.

Living together before marriage won’t destroy your marriage and it won’t lead to divorce IF you start devoting yourself to God.

Otherwise…no one would be able to convert because repenting those past sins won’t change anything.

I truly believe that moving out won’t improve your marriage if you turn your life over to God. That’s all you need.

Also…a priest won’t always deny marrying a couple who is living together. Our priest didn’t. But he knew our situation. Our situation also didn’t stop us from starting RCIA.

At the same time…I couldn’t move out. My husband wouldn’t allow it. It was impossible for me to do so…I was pregnant, not working and I had no one to move in with.

I look at it similarly to a couple who wants to come back to the faith, has an invalid marriage that needs time to sort out and has kids. You can’t ask that family to split up for their own good and salvation. It won’t change anything and it will only do more harm then good.

This couple living together won’t have a greater chance of “improving” their marriage by ceasing their “co-habitation.”

Living together before marriage is not a good thing and it is contrary to Church teaching. But, repenting and devoting your life to God will only improve your life. At that point…it won’t matter if you were living together or not…your marriage will be just as strong as the couple who “did it right” from the beginning.
 
There’s a huge differences between a married couple with children going through RCIA living together, and an unmarried couple living together with options.

I’m not making any judgments here, but the OP is living with the future spouse and has a time frame for marriage that is less than the typical marriage preparation period. The issues should have already been addressed by the priest.
 
How about an unmarried couple living together and about to have a kid?

There are so many different scenarios out there.

I don’t think there is that much of a difference. Everyone who turns there life to Christ are still trying to get to heaven. They are all sinners too.

There is no differences between anyone trying to live their lives according to God’s will. No one has a better chance of succeeding over anyone else.

My point is…you don’t tell someone their marriage will be better and they will have less of a chance of divorce if he moves out.

Other couples have lived together before they were married and then decided to join the Church. Still others are living together and their situations preclude them from separating before marriage. Their marriages are just as valid and have just as much of a chance of being successful as a couple that has never lived together.

If he can move out…fine. If he can’t…that’s fine too. It’s not going to ruin his marriage in the end. As long as he repents, lives chastely before marriage and then remembers his marriage will always include God.
 
I’m just sticking with the information that the OP provided. We have a Catholic male, and likely a Catholic female (due to the mention of her annulment), that are living together prior to marriage. I see no mention of RCIA or children. Alternate living arrangements exist.

I also see no mention of a marriage prep or a priest’s opinion, which would most definitely have been given by now in a situation like this, given that there are only a few months left before the proposed marriage date.
My point is…you don’t tell someone their marriage will be better and they will have less of a chance of divorce if he moves out.
This was not my point or questions. However, there are plenty of stats about divorce rate and people living together prior to marriage if you wish to review them.
 
Dear OP, I haven’t been precisely in the situation you describe but I’ve been in situations where I allowed my boundaries to stretch and those were awful situations. Nothing is worth it.

The following presumes that you’re concerned with either premarital sexual relations or temptations to it, or with how your limits of decency are stretched, how your conscience bugs you about blurring the lines between what is marriage and what is not. I am not presuming that you guys merely have two separate rooms in one house because you’re asking for advice to help you.

As long as your situation does violate what our faith teaches us about morals, God needs to come first, He says, in relatively modern language, “Seek first the Kingdom of God and its righteousness and the rest will be added to you,” (Matthew 6:33). We also pray for our daily bread without praying for the bread for the day after tomorrow. There are numerous verses referring to the fact that God provides for us. God cares for each sparrow that falls down from the sky, and we’re worth more than many sparrows (Matthew 10:31). Solomon himself, as rich as he was, wasn’t dressed nearly as well as a lily (Luke 12:27). In short, we need to trust God, trust ourselves to God, and do our job. This does require sacrifices sometimes but those are always for our good. It is difficult to believe that God will provide, it can be a huge leap of faith, nonetheless it is the right path. This can sometimes show already in this world rather than the next.

(For example one may feel like he’s losing a loving girlfriend, while in reality the sacrifice makes him avoid a nasty divorce, possibly without the ability to obtain a nullity decree, after a lot of pain, or a marriage to a person obsessing over sexual technique or performance or materialistic or not willing to accept rules which are of an external origin and/or which interfere with whatever that person feels like doing. Which additionally means losing the opportunity to be married to someone who actually does live the faith and sees things the same way. Such a sacrifice is already beneficial in this world, not only in the next.)

Perhaps it might help to look at the “rules” as more like the “righteousness” from that verse, i.e. not like a bunch of rules imposed by an eccentric landlord or 30 pages of small print from a service operator, but doing the right thing, basically doing what is just. The Catholic teaching is that commandments connecting to marriage (or what leads to marriage) are not mere ritual rules, they don’t deal with some kind of ritual cleanliness and purity, they tie into God’s plan for marriage and into what marriage is about. It’s not a “no because no” kind of “rules”.

There is also no concrete strong reason to cohabitate before marriage as opposed to waiting those couple of months.

You may also wish to browse the threads in the Family forum, even just titles, and see how many of them are about spouses changing their mind on things, leaving, going on birth control, causing other distressing situations. Refusing to compromise on what our faith teaches about morality doesn’t give a sure-fire guarantee but it can go a long way towards avoiding such problems. That and also honestly appraising the quarrels and tensions and the factors which cause them, especially those associated with differences between you and your prospective spouse.

Also, if a woman flatly says there’s no deal unless you cohabitate before the wedding, then you can flatly tell her it’s no deal then. You can have requirements too. You don’t need to be the one who budges.

Also, sometimes courage is what is required to get out of commonly accepted typical arrangements. Inaertia, pressure, powerlessness, reluctance to stand out are typical inhibitions. You and your girlfriend can break them and, with God’s help, conquer them (again, in so far as your current situation does go against some real morals and not just perceptions), move on to a better life in your lives. It’s worth it.
 
Hello all,

I will keep this simple and short. I’m a catholic male who is currently living with his fiancé. We were engaged over a year ago, and plan to marry in June. However, I feel very guilty about living together before marriage. I was blinded by my own happiness instead of “following the rules” of remaining alone until marriage. In fact, ever since moving in we’ve had numerous arguments and discrepancy’s about all sorts of things. She was previously married, but has gone thru (and received) an annulment. She knows how close** I hold my faith to my heart (or try to at least) and feel moving out until marriage might clarify some issues we’ve been having.** Has anyone been through this? Any advice would be great.

Thank you
The bolded part is what stood out for me when I read your OP. Continue to live together, or moving out, are the problems you are having serious enough to rethink even getting married in the first place? Have you considered what you will do if the problems continue if you move out?

If it was me, I’d move out, and take a good hard look at the relationship and see if the problems you were experiencing were due to living together before marriage or are there serious issues that are red flags that your relationship can’t move forward towards the Sacrament of Matrimony.
 
This was not my point or questions. However, there are plenty of stats about divorce rate and people living together prior to marriage if you wish to review them.
Those stats basically tell people who have lived together before their conversion that their marriages will fail…regardless of their conversions.

That’s ridiculous.

It’s ridiculous to imply that anyone who converts are still more likely to have a failed marriage if they have lived together before.

Those stats are for people who don’t wish to reform their lives and continue to live secularly and live in sin.

What is the point of converting or reverting if those stats still apply to couples who sinned before?
 
I’m failing to understand how an unmarried Catholic couple discerning marriage and living together has anything to do with a married couple with children going through RCIA living together. Do you honestly believe that the Church views these situations as the same, and would give each couple the same advice regarding their living circumstances?

You don’t have to make the connection for me; you should make it for the OP, who is the one asking for advice.
 
Because there are couples who lived together, without kids, and then got married. They either converted before they were married or after.

What I’m trying to understand is how Catholics seem to think that all co-habitation is wrong and will lead to divorce…except for a couple that finds themselves in a conversion situation after they had co-habitated and got married.
Do those divorce stats suddenly disappear?

If a person is engaged and has been living together with their spouse and converts…but doesn’t move out…do those divorce stats still apply?

If a person is engaged and is a Catholic but has gone to confession but doesn’t move out and still gets married…do those divorce stats still apply?

The OP is engaged and the wedding is a few months away. They aren’t really discerning marriage…they are GETTING married. Sooner then later.

How is moving out going to improve their situation if it’s only a few months away if co-habitation will more likely lead to divorce?
 
I’ll give further advice when the OP comes back and fills in the relevant blanks, notably if he has approached the Church for the required marriage prep, and/or what the priest stated regarding their living arrangements.
 
I suggest going to confession, and continue to live together…chastely…until your marriage. My husband and I lived together before marriage and while I know it was wrong and wouldn’t do it again, it certainly didn’t hurt our marriage any.
 
Hello OP,
I agree with the others who are encouraging you to stop living with your girlfriend and move in with your family prior to your marriage. It is always a good idea to run from sin and you are wise to realize this and ask for encouragement. I respect you for being honest with yourself and reflecting on what God expects of you as a decent man because our culture has really distorted God’s plan of meet, date, get married, live together, have kids. For those people who have lived together prior to marriage and then regret it they too are special for being able to have a course correction. Very few of us can admit when we are wrong.

Please do this because you are setting a very powerful example for your future sons and daughters. You can tell them that you made a mistake by living together and having premarital sex but then you made every effort to ask for forgiveness and to live as a good Catholic man should. Sadly many of my Baby Boomer friends who lived together prior to marriage now have children who have lived with someone. They have created a legacy in their families that this is normal and good but it is actually sad and sinful. I would also advise you to talk to your priest for more detailed guidance. Best wishes.
 
In this day and age it is always a good idea to live together first to see if you are compatible etc. The wife and i lived together for about 5 years before we got married! Still together after 26 years! Help!!! 😃
 
In this day and age it is always a good idea to live together first to see if you are compatible etc. The wife and i lived together for about 5 years before we got married! Still together after 26 years! Help!!! 😃
Wrong! So very wrong! Why would you encourage this couple to persist in sin just because you did?! I have to hope that you are joking here.
 
I am not joking!

Better to live together first to see if compatible than not and then get married and then divorce x amount of time down the road!! Its not a sin to ‘live’ together. What one does while living together could lead to sin!
 
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