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Karin
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Hmm…if they sleep in seperate rooms I see nothing wrong with it.
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estesbob
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Take it from the father of two girls-you have a LOT to learn.
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Karin
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As a mother to two boys estesbob, do we ALL have alot to learn? I think I am doing pretty GOOD so far
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Aleii
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estes, everyone, including myself, and yes even you too, have a lot to learn. Try to tone it down a bit.
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estesbob
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Believe me if you think its OK for your boys to move in with their girlfriends you do have a lot to learn. And of course once they find out their parents did it your moral authority to tell them no is gone. But of course since it worked out ok for you it must be ok for everyone…As a mother to two boys estesbob, do we ALL have alot to learn? I think I am doing pretty GOOD so far
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estesbob
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That WAS my toned down version
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Karin
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what works for me may not be right for you or anyone else…never said it was!
If they do what I did (seperate rooms, and basically living as roommates) then yes I have no problem with that.
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hasikelee
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I remember learning about that from the Irish side of my family.
I think it was different from the general idea that people have today. And of course, that was during a time when fertility was considered a required aspect of a relationship.
Great tidbit to bring up in this thread!
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jmcrae
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It reminds me of a show I saw one time that made reference to the tradition of “bundling.” The man gets sewn up into a bag before being allowed to sleep next to the girl.I remember learning about that from the Irish side of my family.
I think it was different from the general idea that people have today. And of course, that was during a time when fertility was considered a required aspect of a relationship.
The girl’s Dad just looks at the Mom when she tells him that she’s “bundled” the girl’s boyfriend into her bed. She looks back and him, and says, “Don’t worry. I’m a better seamstress than my mother was.”
“Thank God for that,” he says.
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TarAshly
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I REMEMBER THAT! what movie was that from? I loved that movie and now I cant for the life of me think of it! was it that Mel Gibson movie maybe? I seem to remember it had something to do with coloniel era soldiers…SORRY NOT TO HIJACK THE THREAD YALL!It reminds me of a show I saw one time that made reference to the tradition of “bundling.” The man gets sewn up into a bag before being allowed to sleep next to the girl.
The girl’s Dad just looks at the Mom when she tells him that she’s “bundled” the girl’s boyfriend into her bed. She looks back and him, and says, “Don’t worry. I’m a better seamstress than my mother was.”
“Thank God for that,” he says.
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jmcrae
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Mel Gibson’s The Patriot - yes, that’s the one.
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estesbob
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“The Patriot” And their bunlding resulted in her getting burned to death in a church and him getting killed in battle!
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FTW2007
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Hi!
Is this how a Christians lives? No it is not true. i can not believe what i read. If you are a good Catholic and you know the life of virgin Mary and Joseph, i dont think you could say all these. My God! what type of life? everyone should live holly life.
Does any one heard about chastity?
Please let stop this, we must kneel before God and confess. we should not say each one is living this life, look at your self “am i living holy life? am i listen to God or people?”
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Is this how a Christians lives? No it is not true. i can not believe what i read. If you are a good Catholic and you know the life of virgin Mary and Joseph, i dont think you could say all these. My God! what type of life? everyone should live holly life.
Does any one heard about chastity?
Please let stop this, we must kneel before God and confess. we should not say each one is living this life, look at your self “am i living holy life? am i listen to God or people?”
Be blessed
Mary
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davy39
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In all of the above posts, I believe I saw the word, “adultry” once. I’ve always believed that if you had sex outside of marriage, you were guilty of this. Maybe this has changed in the last forty years or so. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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a_cermak
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My understanding was that to have adultery you have to have one of the parties married. That’s the Jewish understanding, and since it’s their Law, I take their word for it.
I believe the term used when unmarried people engage in sex outside of marriage, it is fornication. St. Paul claims it’s just as bad as adultery (as well as homosexuality), so it really doesn’t help to say it is not against the Commandment.
And, not a few people here are saying that they in fact, never had sex while living together so obviously none of that applies to them.
I believe the term used when unmarried people engage in sex outside of marriage, it is fornication. St. Paul claims it’s just as bad as adultery (as well as homosexuality), so it really doesn’t help to say it is not against the Commandment.
And, not a few people here are saying that they in fact, never had sex while living together so obviously none of that applies to them.
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setter
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I totally and whole heartedly agree.Hi!
Is this how a Christians lives? No it is not true. i can not believe what i read. If you are a good Catholic and you know the life of virgin Mary and Joseph, i dont think you could say all these. My God! what type of life? everyone should live holly life.
Does any one heard about chastity?
Please let stop this, we must kneel before God and confess. we should not say each one is living this life, look at your self “am i living holy life? am i listen to God or people?”
Be blessed
Mary
Unfortunately, too many adult Catholics have not matured in their faith, but are still like infants in the faith and the ways of God. Our highest calling as Catholics is to seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness (holiness).
Evidence that one is still an “infant” in the faith (not just coming to the faith, but persisting in an “infant” understanding and living in the faith) is when they offer resistance, rationalize and defend what is minimal, marginal, or unholy and appeals to the lower nature (flesh) and rationale within us; and retain a more self-centered (versus Christ-centered) focus and point of reference for their actions. St. Paul noted and forcefully confronted this in the early Catholic communities that he ministered to. St. Paul held high expectations for his fellow believers. Why should we extend anything less?
“Brothers, I could not talk to you as spiritual people, but as fleshly people, as infants in Christ. I fed you milk, not solid food, because you were unable to take it. Indeed, you are still not able, even now, for you are still of the flesh.” **1 Corinthians 3: 1-3 **
“Although you should be teachers by this time, you need to have someone teach you again the basic elements of the utterances of God. You need milk, (and) not solid food. Everyone who lives on milk lacks experience of the word of righteousness, for he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those whose faculties are trained by practice to discern good and evil.” **Hebrews 5: 12-14 **
“But seek first the kingdom (of God) and his righteousness,” Matthew 6: 33
“Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, and make holiness perfect in the fear of God.” **2 Corinthians 7: 1 **
“…and put on the new nature, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.” Ephesians 4: 24
“Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,”** 2 Peter 3: 11 **
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mrs_abbott
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To those of you who think the whole “God knows what’s in your hearts” clause is hogwash. Scripture backs up this phrase.
***Luke 6: 41-42
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Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own?
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How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove that splinter in your eye,’ when you do not even notice the wooden beam in your own eye? You hypocrite! Remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter in your brother’s eye. ***
To say that you have the right to judge another is to say you’re perfect. Humans are NOT perfect by far.
***Luke 6: 41-42
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Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own?
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How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove that splinter in your eye,’ when you do not even notice the wooden beam in your own eye? You hypocrite! Remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter in your brother’s eye. ***
To say that you have the right to judge another is to say you’re perfect. Humans are NOT perfect by far.
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davy39
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Thanks for the info. Neither term is hardly applied to anything anymore, either in the media or from the pulpit.
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setter
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How does this at all relate to the fact that a pre-marriage Catholic couple living together (regardless of whether fornicating, impure, or not) is giving scandal to the faithful and others by their public witness to the appearance of impropriety? I cannot for a second imagine a pre-marriage couple seeking the sanctity and holiness of each other, and the conversion and holiness of others by their public witness and example, would for a minute consider cohabitating before being married in the Church. This is simply being responsible, mature, considerate of others, and taking hold of our higher calling in Christ. IMHO.
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mrs_abbott
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It has EVERYTHING to do with the issue at hand because as some people have said, it’s possible to live together as roommates BEFORE marriage and not have sexual relations. The scandal is in the eye of the beholder, hence Luke 6: 41-42 rings true. I’d examine my OWN life before poking my nose into what others are doing.
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