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If you wanted to back up your argument that a man and a woman should not live together before marriage, what would be the best Catholic reference?

Or maybe not- how about for a person who is not religous…some good solid reasons why it’s a bad idea.
 
OK, I’ll go with the old saying, **why buy the cow when the milk is free? ** 😛
 
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Stylus:
If you wanted to back up your argument that a man and a woman should not live together before marriage, what would be the best Catholic reference?

Or maybe not- how about for a person who is not religous…some good solid reasons why it’s a bad idea.
CS Lewis had a very interesting view in “Mere Christianity”. He suggested that if a couple HAD NO INTENTION of living a moral, Christian life, it was probably better if they lived in sexual sin.

Why? NOT because sexual sin is good – Lewis would VIOLENTLY disagree! Rather, in a Christian marriage, serious VOWS are made before God. Lewis felt that fornication by itself was less evil than fornication combined with perjury – which is what Lewis viewed much of “modern” marriage.

Blessings,
 
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Stylus:
If you wanted to back up your argument that a man and a woman should not live together before marriage, …- how about for a person who is not religous…some good solid reasons why it’s a bad idea.
Well, Natural Law is a great response to this one. Did you know that statistically a couple is more likely to end up divorced if they live together before marriage?

When you live together before marriage you are essentially declaring that the actual marriage vows and the rights and responsibilities associated with marriage don’t amount to much, or you wouldn’t be skipping the most important part, the commitment to one another before God and your community. If you love a person enough to share your body with them, certainly you both deserve the commitment that the marital act implies.

I wish you luck as you pursue a discussion on this topic. Unfortunately, our culture is working full steam on the lie that living together and pre-marital relations are appropriate.

God Bless,

CARose
 
Try this from this site- catholic.com/chastity/q7.asp

QUESTION:

Should I move in with my boyfriend before we get married? It seems like a smart move, because you want to really know a person before you commit to life together.

ANSWER:

Most cohabiting couples who hope to marry see their arrangement as a good test run, a way to make sure that they’re compatible before tying the knot. After all, who wants to go through a divorce?

Aside from all of the spiritual factors regarding premarital sex, let’s take a look at what researchers have found about living together before marriage. Two researchers summarized the findings of numerous studies by stating that “expectation of a positive relationship between cohabitation and marital stability . . . has been shattered in recent years by studies conducted in several Western countries.”*(“http://www.catholic.com/chastity/q7.asp#1”)

What the studies discovered is this: if you don’t want to get divorced, don’t move in until after the wedding. Why is that? Consider the following facts about cohabitation: Most couples who live together never end up getting married, but those who do tie the knot are almost twice as likely to divorce as couples who don’t live together before marriage.ii Overall, the divorce rate of cohabiting couples is about eighty percent,iii and non-virgin brides are sixty percent more likely to end up divorced than women who enter marriage as virgins.iv Couples who cohabited prior to marriage have greater marital conflict and poorer communication, and they made more frequent visits to marriage counselors.v Women who cohabited before marriage are more than three times as likely to cheat on their husbands within marriage.vi The US Justice Department found that women who cohabit are sixty-two times more likely to be assaulted by a live-in boyfriend than by a husband.vii They were also more than three times as likely to be depressed as married women,viii and the couples were less sexually satisfied than those who waited for marriage.ix

So, from a standpoint of marital duration, marital peace, marital fidelity, physical safety, emotional well-being, and sexual satisfaction, cohabitation isn’t exactly a recipe for happiness. Even USA Today reported, "Could this be true love? Test it with courtship, not cohabitation."x You may assume that if the couple had lived together a bit longer, they would have ironed out the difficulties and not had these problems in marriage. The studies show the opposite: longer cohabitations are associated with a higher likelihood of divorce.xi Now, even if you don’t think that your boyfriend would be abusive or that you would get depressed, the divorce rate speaks for itself.

Like all of us, you dream of a lasting love. If you’re serious about making this relationship work, save your marriage before it starts and don’t move in until after the wedding.
 
David Zampino:
CS Lewis had a very interesting view in “Mere Christianity”. He suggested that if a couple HAD NO INTENTION of living a moral, Christian life, it was probably better if they lived in sexual sin.

Why? NOT because sexual sin is good – Lewis would VIOLENTLY disagree! Rather, in a Christian marriage, serious VOWS are made before God. Lewis felt that fornication by itself was less evil than fornication combined with perjury – which is what Lewis viewed much of “modern” marriage.

Blessings,
And the point is?
 
I have repeatedly reinforced to all my children that sex is a gift from God, and it is meant to be enjoyed only in a marital context. I also remind them that it can only be your first time once and it should be a very special occasion, like on your wedding night. I have also been very upfront with my kids about waiting until marriage because it fulfils God’s plan for marriage and family. My 18 yo has discussed that he is a virgin and intends to remain that way until he is married, something I couldn’t even fathom discussing with my parents, so hopefully, I am doing something right. He also told me that any girl (woman) that would pressure him for sex would be dishonoring him and God, another thing I reinforced. Sometimes it is nice to know that kids really do listen when you talk to them. As for my other kids…my 16 yo is so ummmm…young, ummm…there are no words to describe, do you remember the movie “Big?” When the woman wants to spend the night and he says OK but I get to be on top…and he means the top bunk…that is so like my 16 yo. He is interested in girls but has no clue sometimes. My dd is 14 and boys are too scared to ask her out. She is and always has been very independant, and she has been known to defend herself quite well. She is a small skinny thing but definitely a scrapper when she needs to be, then again, it was a matter of survival, she does have 2 older brothers. Not to mention that the older brothers are very protective of her…to the point that I pity her future suitors. The point is, you don’t wait for a “situation” to teach them, you start at a very young age teaching them to respect God and his wisdom.
 
For te person that does not believe in God you must first cure him of rabid modern individualism before you can convince him that cohabitation is wrong. This is because the social contract that is natural marriage finds its necessity in the social contract. Without the contract there is no assurance of security.
 
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Brad:
And the point is?
The point, according to Lewis:

Item: Living together without the benefit of Christian marriage is sin.

Item: Getting married in a “church wedding”, taking vows that one has no intention of keeping is also a sin.

Conclusion: If one has no intention of actually keeping one’s marriage vows, why bother commiting perjury in front of God and His Church?

Blessings,
 
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