Here are four major logical problems with the doctrine of transubstantiation. Any solutions?
1. Complex double/triple metaphor in the Institution statement: Luke 22:20 records Jesus’ Institution of The Lord’s Supper as:
“This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.”
This is a complex figure of speech having five elements:
This cup – a cup, containing wine which is to be representative
which is poured out for you – he does not literally pour it out, but indicates that His life will be spent in saving those who come to believe in him
is the new covenant – neither the cup, nor the wine it contains, is literally the new covenant
in – the covenant does not consist of the material in His blood, nor of the cup, nor of the wine.
my blood. – neither the cup, nor the wine, is actually His blood—which at that moment had been flowing in His veins.
The Twelve did not literally drink the cup itself, nor did they literally drink the new covenant.
A literal interpreation of this statement makes it absurd. Each of the components is figurative. And, if each one of the components is figurative, then the entire statement must be so. The cup actually refers actually to the wine it contains, which symbolizes the new covenant—which is to be enacted in the shedding of His blood. All the early Christians (prior to 100 A.D) knew what Jesus means here.
Okay, well lets first agree on version of scripture, Arguably Latina Vulgata, Clementine Vulgate or Douay-Rheims Version, all other versions came from those and have been changed in wording. That not withstanding, Jesus speaks in a way where His words can be literally taken and all apply at least three different ways without contradicting each other. That is what is odd about the manner in which Jesus Speaks. A Clue to his divinity, you can’t make Christs Words fail. Christ is the only being on the face of the planet who’s words you can’t make fail. oddly enough but. Alot of times if you will reflect on what the Spirit is doing while Christ is speaking, only then will you give yourself the Basis for believing in True Presence. The Holy Ghost(Christ Himself) through the Priest transforming the Bread and Wine into His Body and Blood. A Case for Transubstantiation taking place in the physical world, and you cannot see it happening.
Lets talk about Simultainiety of meaning in Scripture, I think it is erroneous thinking to seperate out one view of Scripture while exluding all other views, so yes Jesus meant it literally and figuratively at the same time, its figurative meaning is just as purposeful and true as its literal meaning.
Literalist’s, need not fear, THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW CANNOT BE WITHOUT THE LETTER OF THE LAW. You will hear persons Argue for Spirit of Scripture over Literalness of Scripture, but if you think about it long enough, you come to the above truth, The Spirit of the Law can only be Manifested by the Letter of the Law, how these two got seperated, and perhaps they can be for cases of thinking and argument, in fact cannot be seperated when looking at the WHOLE TRUTH OF THE MATTER.
Protestants are prone to argue , and they will say as much, we Believe in the Spirit of the Law moreso then the Letter, we are not literalists, but from another point of view this is non-sense or can be non-sense because and I repeat, the Spirit of the Law cannot exist without the letter of the Law being what it is.
4. Limited physical content available for distribution: Following the Resurrection, Jesus presented himself in his familiar, though-glorified human body—all in one piece—to his closest disciples. So, the shape and mass of his body was similar to the crucified body. Now that the Roman Church has grown so large and conducts thousands of Masses throughout the world each week, a question arises: How is his flesh and blood—from one finite body—to be so finely distributed to suit this purpose? Or does each parish only receive a portion of Jesus flesh and blood? Which portions?
Here again, you have to first reflect upon the actions of the Holy Ghost through the Priest.
People get lost a lot in their reading, because they fail to consider exactly what it is that the Holy Ghost is doing to make things in Scripture so. That is the Key to much of what Jesus says…
When scripture is executed in the Spirit it is exactly the Holy Ghost doing the execution of Scripture, in an executive fashion. HE, (GOD/JESUS) IS EXECUTING HIS OFFICE AS KING OF KINGS BY AND THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST.
If you can come to believe that the Holy Ghost is real??? Then Scripture all of it both Figuritive and Literal become very accessible to all persons.
JOHN LADDER, DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE HOLY GHOST??
That is the Key to John Ladder going from applying a figurative meaning to alot of Scripture to comming into a fuller understanding of the HOLY SCRIPTURES.
No problem John, No Harm, No Foul, many persons are right there with you, stumbling around for the clue that will allow them to walk into a deeper relationship with Jesus Christ.
