LOL! Wise father instructs reckless daughter

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Ah! I saw this earlier posted on MusicaSacra, and I loved it.

As you can see from my signature, I am very much a Say the black. Do the red. kinda guy.

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Our pastor has been instructing us on the new translation for several weeks leading up to its introduction. And one of the things he has been very particular about is in the Nicene Creed, that we should refrain from “Saying the Red” when it comes to the rubric “(All bow)”. Apparently many people are just reciting this along with the black words. 🤷
 
Is it true that choirs should be singing the Entrance and Communion Antiphons unless they can’t for some reason?
 
Is it true that choirs should be singing the Entrance and Communion Antiphons unless they can’t for some reason?
That is the over-ambitious claim of this video, but it is not something the Church has ever stated. (I say this as a person who chants the Entrance and Communion Antiphons every week.)
 
That is the over-ambitious claim of this video, but it is not something the Church has ever stated. (I say this as a person who chants the Entrance and Communion Antiphons every week.)
Good for you! 🙂

I’ve never been to an Ordinary Form Mass where the Entrance and Communion Antiphons were chanted.

Do you chant them in English or in Latin?
 
Good for you! 🙂

I’ve never been to an Ordinary Form Mass where the Entrance and Communion Antiphons were chanted.

Do you chant them in English or in Latin?
In Latin, following the Gregorian melodies. I definitely think it adds a lot to the atmosphere of reverence.
 
In Latin, following the Gregorian melodies. I definitely think it adds a lot to the atmosphere of reverence.
Does this mean that you don’t like “Be not afraid?” or “On eagles’ wings?” 😛

Our rector is using the new missal as a means to get us back to doing just this–using the propers as envisioned by the Church. We are a more traditional parish than most, in a very liberal sea, and instead of the entrance antiphon, we’d have heard “Faith of our Fathers” or “Lift up the Cross.” The only time we hear happy-clappy music is when the diocesan liturgy commission plans and runs a Mass–such as the Chrism Mass. Yeccho.
 
This is interesting. The ONE time I’ve heard the proper antiphons sung was when I attended a mass at the Westminster Cathedral with a boys’ choir. It was…strange. I liked it and I also really really didn’t like it.

Like: The mass structure had more of a sense of a whole, through-composed form (please excuse the music analogy; I can’t think of another way to express this). It was never the same, yet it continually referenced specific psalms in a way that is similar to the liturgy of the hours. It was definitely not the discontinuous “4-song-sandwich” that many masses have become. It wasn’t necessarily more reverent because of the antiphons, just more alive, more authentic, maybe more “Catholic”…

Dislike: Because there were no hymns, and no hymnals, and a trained choir sang the antiphons and mass parts, there was nothing to do except sit there and watch and listen. It took away the regular participation in the mass that, IMO, rightfully belongs to the assembly. Worship is not just a mental act, it is also physical, and singing is a very physical, sensory act! And it would necessarily be this way always because antiphons are not intuitive and regular like hymnody is. I am of the mind that a choir should lead/assist a congregation singing, not replace it! This made it less “Catholic”…
 
there was nothing to do except sit there and watch and listen. It took away the regular participation in the mass that, IMO, rightfully belongs to the assembly. Worship is not just a mental act, it is also physical, and singing is a very physical, sensory act! .
Really, nothing to do? How about praying? The mass is not a concert.
 
Really, nothing to do? How about praying? The mass is not a concert.
That’s just it. The Mass is not a concert. I (and actually most Westerners) go to a concert to be entertained, to listen and to watch. That was this mass. You could sit and listen and watch, but not actively participate (in singing).

Oh, sure there is always the sit/stand/kneel shuffle, but that’s about as physically engaging as muttering “Amen” and “Also with you” every once in awhile.

It’s not that “interior participation”/mental prayer is bad, but it certainly does not engage the whole self in an act of worship. That’s why it was disappointing.
 
Does this mean that you don’t like “Be not afraid?” or “On eagles’ wings?” 😛
Oh, that’s the music I grew up with, and I will always appreciate those songs. They don’t, however, contribute anything to reverence and solemnity.
Really, nothing to do? How about praying? The mass is not a concert.
Well, that’s part of the problem. If you look at the history, the art music that was frequently performed by choirs and orchestras was often treated more as a concert than a liturgical act, still less an opportunity for genuine prayer. In The Musical Prelude to Vatican II: Plainsong, Participation, and Pius X, Walter W. Whitehouse describes the situation in this country:
The use of European concerted music in church served in some measure to give a sense of social elevation and pride for immigrants, as well to provide literally a “concert hall” for those who otherwise had no means or opportunity to hear “great music”; it quickly became an established feature of US Catholic worship in the larger urban centers. Archbishop John Glennon of St. Louis would later quip, “On big occasions, the choir was buoyed up and sustained by a great orchestra. Everybody came to the Mass – Turks, Jews, Protestants, and even some Catholics, and all went away from the performance delighted.”
You still see this now, mostly but not entirely in the EF setting, when Masses are promoted by advertising by advertising the musical setting, and occasionally even the choir or soloists, that will be showcased.

I guess it would be nice if listening to frequent, lengthy interludes of art music throughout the Mass proved to be a prayerful rather than an aesthetic experience for most people, but history has not shown that to be generally the case.
 
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