Long hair on men

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St.Paul’s doctrinal message here regards outward signs of gender distinction, which goes back to the Old Law, which forbade men from wearing the adornment of women and vice versa. St.Paul’s specific words to the Corinthians are in part, conditioned by a specific cultural sensitivity - namely, that long hair was viewed either as effeminate, where as short hair masculine (or worse yet on a woman, associated with harlotry).

However, it’s important to not get stuck on the cultural particulars and miss the underlying doctrinal message. For as it has been stated here, outside of heavily Romanized areas during the period he wrote, long hair on men was quite common - including amongst the Jews in Palestine (though likely not so much the case in the Roman diaspora). Amongst the barbarians it was very common, as well as the practice of not shaving in general. To draw a doctrinal point out of the particulars of what St.Paul is saying would be mistaken, if only because it would needlessly put his words into conflict with not only the example of many Biblical figures, but of our Lord Himself. While it is true that normally the Nazarite vow was a short term affair, there were long term Nazarites who never cut their hair (like Samson), as well as desert ascetics like St.John the Baptist.

In fact, the ascetical practice of Jews like St.John carried over into early Christianity. Christian monasticism began with the desert hermits, who generally did not cut any of their hair (including their facial hair), and in the East at least this was often carried over into later, more organized and communal forms of monasticism. While it was quite normal for all early Christian clerics to avoid shaving off their beards, eventually in the East (due to the heavy influence exherted upon it by monastic customs) it even became normal for parish clergy to not cut their hair short. You see this form of piety to the present day amongst many Orthodox parish Priests (though they’ll often wear it in a simple pony tail to keep it out of the way.)

As I was saying before though, it’s important to not get too stuck on the particulars here. For example, up until fairly recently, a common form of gender distinction in rainment was the wearing of pants - men did, women generally did not. However, if you go back to the times of the Apostles and Church Fathers, no one wore pants - everyone basically wore a simple robe or a toga, though there were slightly different styles for men as opposed to those worn by women (esp. with the toga.) Pants, if I remember correctly, were introduced by the Germans who originally wore them because they made horseback riding much easier.
 
Ruthie said:
“Getting back to the issue at hand, doesn’t anyone else think it’s strange that Paul would depart so dramatically from Levitical law?”

Paul (and other Jews) was not forbidden to cut his hair, unless he had taken a Nazarite vow. This was a special, and usually temporary, vow of consecration.

According to the Mishna, the normal time for keeping a Nazarite vow was thirty days; but sometimes a double vow was taken, lasting sixty days. In fact, a vow was sometimes undertaken for a hundred days.

During the time of his vow, a “Nazarite” was required to abstain from wine and every kind of intoxicating drink. He was also forbidden to cut the hair of his head or to approach a dead body, even that of his nearest relative. If a “Nazarite” accidently defiled himself, he had to undergo certain rites of purification and then had to begin the full period of consecration over again.


—Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words

Hope this clears it up for you, Levi.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Ruthie 👍
 
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Katie1723:
I think it’s rather funny that someone is worried about long hair being a sin. If that’s what you are thinking about then perhaps you have too much time on your hands

Kathy
Hope you got a good chuckle. Maybe if one tries REALLY REALLY hard, we can hope to someday be as wise as you.:rolleyes:

Seems like you have a lot of time on your hands if you have nothing better to do than to enter a discussion, with no contributions to make, other than to be condescending.

Everyone, please run your topics by Kathy first, so she can decide whether it’s worthy of discussion. That would save her the trouble of having to go out of her way to be snooty.
 
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Ana:
Hope you got a good chuckle. Maybe if one tries REALLY REALLY hard, we can hope to someday be as wise as you.:rolleyes:

Seems like you have a lot of time on your hands if you have nothing better to do than to enter a discussion, with no contributions to make, other than to be condescending.

Everyone, please run your topics by Kathy first, so she can decide whether it’s worthy of discussion. That would save her the trouble of having to go out of her way to be snooty.
Actually I agree with Kathy. Its pretty stupid of anyone to think having long hair is a sin.
 
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cynic:
Paul says that it is against nature for a man to have long hair. Yet I can imagine many men of that period having shaggy hair due to a lack of …scissors. Medieval representations of Jesus generally show him with long(ish) hair also. Is it, er sinful?
Gosh I hope not! Mine is getting pretty long…going back to my 80’s metal look!
 
You know the one thing I have learned is that no matter how hard a person tries to be objective, we are all judged by our appearances. That being said, I think it is natural for some people to wonder about things like this, while totally unnatural for others. I believe this particular issue however uncovers something that the Catholics have believed from the beginning; Sacred Tradition! Think about it, if we read a verse like this and have no basis historically or traditionally, how do we decide what it really means? Is it literally the length of the hair? Or is it about vanity? Or about the guidelines for men and women? I venture to guess that a Sola Scriptura would say it is about the hair length, since it is in black and white in the bible. I think that we can all identify with warnings concerning vanity, and we can all identify with the gender roles, so which would it be? It could be both. We all know that scripture is multifaceted as far as the meaning. When scripture is read and taught this is why Catholics believe in the valid order of the priesthood. Ponder this:
26 Now an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, saying: Arise, go towards the south, to the way that goeth down from Jerusalem into Gaza: this is desert. 27 And rising up, he went. And behold a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch, of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge over all her treasures, had come to Jerusalem to adore. 28 And he was returning, sitting in this chariot, and reading Isaias the prophet. 29 And the Spirit said to Philip: Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. 30 And Philip running thither, heard him reading the prophet Isaias. And he said: Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?
31 Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. 32 And the place of the scripture which he was reading was this: He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb without voice before his shearer, so openeth he not his mouth. 33 In humility his judgment was taken away. His generation who shall declare, for his life shall be taken from the earth? 34 And the eunuch answering Philip, said: I beseech thee, of whom doth the prophet speak this? of himself, or of some other man? 35 Then Philip, opening his mouth, and beginning at this scripture, preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came to a certain water; and the eunuch said: See, here is water: what doth hinder me from being baptized? 37 And Philip said: If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest. And he answering, said: I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still; and they went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch: and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord took away Philip; and the eunuch saw him no more. And he went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip was found in Azotus; and passing through, he preached the gospel to all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
37 “If thou believest with all thy heart”… The scripture many times mentions only one disposition, as here belief, when others equally necessary are not expressed, viz., a sorrow for sins, a firm hope, and the love of God. Moreover, believing with the whole heart signifies a belief of every thing necessary for salvation.
The Acts Of The Apostles
Does this not show us that we need help with interpreting the scripture and who is to help us? Philip was a deacon, and as such, he was allowed to minister(interpret scripture) and baptize. As Catholics, we recognize the importance of this passage.
 
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Ana:
Hope you got a good chuckle. Maybe if one tries REALLY REALLY hard, we can hope to someday be as wise as you.:rolleyes:

Seems like you have a lot of time on your hands if you have nothing better to do than to enter a discussion, with no contributions to make, other than to be condescending.

Everyone, please run your topics by Kathy first, so she can decide whether it’s worthy of discussion. That would save her the trouble of having to go out of her way to be snooty.
Oh, I am going to have to go with Kathy on this one. There are certainly many matters more worthy of our attention. And frankly, once we are start pointing out these little “sins,” we are well on our way towards legalism.

Kendy
 
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Kendy:
And frankly, once we are start pointing out these little “sins,” we are well on our way towards legalism.

Kendy
Personally, i would reword that as:

“…we are well on our way to perfection”

No?

In Christ.

Andre.
 
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Magicsilence:
Personally, i would reword that as:

“…we are well on our way to perfection”

No?

In Christ.

Andre.
Legalism is righteous indignation about the wrong things. How you wear your hair will not do much for your holiness.

Kendy
 
Although Kendy and I often disagree on things, I am in total agreement with her here. There are far more important issues than one’s length of hair. St. John the Baptist was a pillor of holiness, and he was not the most well-kempt person out there.
 
I’ll never forget being, hmm, I guess the word might be “impressed” by a young man at Ash Wednesday services with full sleeve tatoos peeking out from beneath his shirt as he went to receive ashes. Then I spied him across the row from me, deep in prayer. It was a humbling experience.

I personally am “turned off” by tatoos, but his “untraditional” appearance made me reflect on how people of all “looks” and styles can and DO sincerely love God and live His Word every day. (and yes, I am aware of Jewish law forbidding tatoos…)

Hair? Heck, as long as someone tries to keep it clean and louse-free then wear it how ya’ like! 🙂
 
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Ana:
Hope you got a good chuckle. Maybe if one tries REALLY REALLY hard, we can hope to someday be as wise as you.:rolleyes:

Seems like you have a lot of time on your hands if you have nothing better to do than to enter a discussion, with no contributions to make, other than to be condescending.

Everyone, please run your topics by Kathy first, so she can decide whether it’s worthy of discussion. That would save her the trouble of having to go out of her way to be snooty.
Actually I chuckled about this off and on all morning. I’ll still think there are far more important things to be concerned with than long hair. After all, most pictures of Jesus show Him with long hair.

And thanks for wanting to be wise. It takes a whole lotta work.
Kathy
 
Ruthie said:
“Getting back to the issue at hand, doesn’t anyone else think it’s strange that Paul would depart so dramatically from Levitical law?”

The pharisees perferred to wear thier hair long as a sign of thier status in society.

Long hair then is equvalent today to a pricey business suit or band new luxury car. The rich and successful of those days grew long hair, the rich and succsessful of these days drive jaguars.
 
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Katie1723:
Actually I chuckled about this off and on all morning. I’ll still think there are far more important things to be concerned with than long hair. After all, most pictures of Jesus show Him with long hair.

And thanks for wanting to be wise. It takes a whole lotta work.
Kathy
Sorry Kathy. I was having ANOTHER last trimester of pregnancy hormonal day. :o Even as I was writing it, I was thinking what in the world am I doing?
I actually agree that this is not something to worry about, although I respect the right of other posters who want to discuss it. And I agree with Kendy that it could promote a legalistic attitude. Somewhat similar to some of the modesty “measurement” threads.

I did this a couple of months ago on a cloth diaper thread. A post rubbed me the wrong way, then when I reread it the next day … it didn’t.:confused: Had to apologize there too. In fact I was worried that you were the same one I did this last time to, so I went and checked, but it wasn’t you, it was Karin. So, at least I am not unloadoing on any one person here, my hubby hasn’t been so lucky, poor guy.

Again, I apologize for the tone of my post. I called your post snooty, but I think my post was a lot snootier.

God bless.
 
I have 3 sons. Two of them have long hair. In fact I thought that Mordocai was one of them. (sound just like my kid) The two do very well in school, they are well behaved, attended Mass with out complaining or even prompting. GREAT Boys. My other son, well he has a short hair cut military style. HE is a PILL, defiant, a rebel, unconventional, wants to be a nonconformist. HE HAS SHORT HAIR!

I look at the people around and realize that the outside has very little to do with what is going on in the inside. Some will argue that the outside reveals the inside, but I would have to say that is only an opinion and not fact.

Long hair, scarf on the head, high heels nor jeans can reveal the morality of a person.
 
Hi everyone

Well I am happy to see that mostly everyone here is in agreement that long hair on men isn’t any kind of a problem. My hair is just a little bit longer than shoulder length and I don’t really want it any longer than that. I didn’t grow it out to be a rebel or anything like that – I just like it. However, being the only male who attends daily Mass with long hair has made me feel slightly like an oddball, and it’s reassuring to hear support come from others. Also, it’s nice to know that there’s other long haired orthodox Catholic men out there!
I have to say, though, that I’ve been pretty well accepted by almost everyone I attend Mass with, although I’ve gotten a few odd looks!
 
Hello, I normally post to the Scripture threads, if at all, since that is my area. I happened to notice this thread because it deals with a section of 1 Corinthians that I have recently spent time studying. For what it’s worth, the general opinion of scholars about the question of hair length is that Paul’s concern is that the sexes be distinguishable. Some maintain that the long hair on men is an indication of homosexuality in that particular cultural setting. The sin here, as is the case throughout the letter, has to do with poor order in the Corinthian church and a naivete regarding sexual sins. The hair, then, isn’t so much the sin, as what it represents. Paul seems to be concerned about people visiting from other churches and being scandalized (see the last verse of the chapter).

Are there parallels to our situation today? I will leave that to the moral theologians. There can hardly be any doubt that there is confusion in our congregations, but it’s hard to use this chapter to condemn anything specific.

Regarding Corinth as a ‘Greek’ milieu: in fact, it was a city refounded by Rome where Latin was mainly spoken. As a port city, it was host to people from all over the world. At the time Paul was writing, it is not at all clear what ‘normal’ hairstyles would have looked like, long or short.

I hope that is at least interesting, if not terribly helpful.
Peace to you all in Jesus Christ.
 
Long hair? Me?

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Naw…

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No long hair on this head 😃

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Alright, in all seriousness…

I think that the whole issue here is not to willfully try to look like the opposite sex.

The covering issue is most likely from the social and instinctive roles of each gender. Men are by nature the hunter/gatherers, the ones who protect the household, etc. Men put themselves at risk to decrease his family’s risk.

Women, on the other hand, are instinctively protective of themselves. The woman’s role is to be a mother, and as a result she has to protect her health, because her health is precious to her when it comes to bearing children. And when she is with child, the same applies, only now it’s because she is carrying precious cargo.

Men by nature seek out women who will be good mothers. Women by nature seek men that can both survive and protect them from an appocalypse, and whose children will be able to do likewise. Be the appocalypse a major nuclear war, a weather disaster, an act of terrorism - if it’s life threatening, the man needs to protect himself and his family from it, for the sole sake of the survival of the species.

This all ties in with the covering thing. A woman covering herself is perhaps that society’s symbolism of the natural instinct of self-protection. Likewise, a man leaving himself uncovered is perhaps that society’s way of symbolising the natural instinct of a man to be the protector, who puts himself at risk. What this all boils down to is that the hair is likely merely a symbol, which that society got used to, of the roles of men and women. Having long hair is not in and of itself sinful, only making oneself look like the opposite sex. I wear my hair usually in a ponytail anyway, which makes this almost a non-issue since my face is rarely covered by hair.

OK, one last one before I go.

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😃
 
A kind request for those who labeled this question “unimportant”: When someone has a legitimate, i.e. sincere and rational, question the responses “this isn’t important” or “I don’t think this is sinful, therefore it isn’t” display both a lack of charity and a lack of understanding of the truth. Namely, that just because we think something is so, doesn’t mean it is. On the contrary, Christian caritas and veritas require some sort reasoning to substantiate our claims. Let’s be more careful and consistent on both points. Think these claims need some substantiation? -just ask. Pace Christi.
 
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