Long ties at mass?

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Yes it is a metaphor, but it shows an acute awareness of dressing appropriately for the occasion by The Lord.
The parable is about the white garment of Baptism, which is the purity of our souls.

Do you actually wear a literal wedding dress to Mass? :confused:
 
Yes it is a metaphor, but it shows an acute awareness of dressing appropriately for the occasion by The Lord.
This is a question that is often asked “backwards.” When we say “appropriate” and suggest that decent attire according to our cultural norms (which vary even from county to county in the U.S.) is appropriate for Mass, somebody always says, “what about. . .” the poor or what-have-you. The point is not that the poor or people on the bottom rungs of the culture ladder should not be admitted without tie and jacket. The point is that those who are from social strata where jacket and tie are normal should consider Mass to be at LEAST as important as a day at the office.

Heck. In 1938, all men wore white shirts, ties, and Fedoras to the ballgame.
 
Heck…In 1938, all men wore white shirts, ties, and Fedoras to the ballgame.
Even men’s fashions change, eventually. In 1776, all the best-dressed men wore wigs, lace, and silk stockings. In 1938, men wore suits to sell you a car, but they took those Fedoras off in church. When I was growing up, I remember having to get “dressed up” to go to the grocery store. Women wore gloves before setting foot into a department store, let alone a church. If you showed up at a decent mercant in gym clothes, you would not be waited on. You might even be asked to leave the store. That was a day or two ago!

When John Kitzhaber was governor of Oregon (1995-2003?), he went nearly everywhere in jeans and cowboy boots. It isn’t just that dress has become far less formal and far more likely to be immodest in church. This is the general trend in “fashion”…no fashion, no standard other than comfort–except maybe “is it sexy?” even down to preschool girls! :eek: --and as long as you have a shirt and shoes on, no questions asked. For some reason, the mere fact that a person can drop $100 each on a pair of deliberately worn-out(!) jeans and a pair of sneakers means that these should be considered appropriate clothing everywhere. Yet the pressure on young people to wear the “right” clothes, regardless of cost, is perhaps more vicious than ever. (In other words, the “no fashion” fashion is a myth. The slaves are chained in tighter than ever!)

Correct me if I’m wrong, though, but in no social group in which men wore tuxedos on a regular basis were those garments ever worn for Sunday morning worship. Suits, yes, but not tuxedos.
 
Even men’s fashions change, eventually. In 1776, all the best-dressed men wore wigs, lace, and silk stockings. In 1938, men wore suits to sell you a car, but they took those Fedoras off in church. When I was growing up, I remember having to get “dressed up” to go to the grocery store. Women wore gloves before setting foot into a department store, let alone a church. If you showed up at a decent mercant in gym clothes, you would not be waited on. You might even be asked to leave the store. That was a day or two ago!

When John Kitzhaber was governor of Oregon (1995-2003?), he went nearly everywhere in jeans and cowboy boots. It isn’t just that dress has become far less formal and far more likely to be immodest in church. This is the general trend in “fashion”…no fashion, no standard other than comfort–except maybe “is it sexy?” even down to preschool girls! :eek: --and as long as you have a shirt and shoes on, no questions asked. For some reason, the mere fact that a person can drop $100 each on a pair of deliberately worn-out(!) jeans and a pair of sneakers means that these should be considered appropriate clothing everywhere. Yet the pressure on young people to wear the “right” clothes, regardless of cost, is perhaps more vicious than ever. (In other words, the “no fashion” fashion is a myth. The slaves are chained in tighter than ever!)

Correct me if I’m wrong, though, but in no social group in which men wore tuxedos on a regular basis were those garments ever worn for Sunday morning worship. Suits, yes, but not tuxedos.
Of course not “tuxedos” (properly called dinner jackets). They are evening dress. Up thread, I mentioned a church where the ushers on Sunday morning wear striped pants and cutaways. In the “swell” Episcopal Church in Palm beach, they wear white flannels, white bucks and blue blazers – Palm Beach is casual.
 
Of course not “tuxedos” (properly called dinner jackets). They are evening dress. Up thread, I mentioned a church where the ushers on Sunday morning wear striped pants and cutaways. In the “swell” Episcopal Church in Palm beach, they wear white flannels, white bucks and blue blazers – Palm Beach is casual.
Palm Beach is a little bit of an extraordinary case when it comes to how it defines “casual”, don’t you think? Still, I see your point. What might make a person look odd in Oregon could be de rigour somewhere else. I don’t know if he’s pulling my leg or what, but the OP is holding out not only for dinner jackets, but for white tie. There may have been somewhere in space or time when that was appropriate attire for Sunday morning worship, but I’m not aware of it.

As to the overall question of a dress code at Mass, that depends very much on whether the attendee we’re talking about is my son or someone else’s. I have my opinions, believe me, but I don’t have the authority to dictate what is and is not appropriate to everyone else. What our parish as a whole wears is my pastor’s problem. What my family wears is mine. My sons get to adhere to whichever of the two standards is the strictest.
 
My problem is who decides what is appropriate for mass? A business suit may be a customary form of dressing up, but who is to say that particular custom is right. On the other hand, I sometimes wear jeans to work, so for me to dress up is to wear slacks and a button down shirt without a tie. If I wear that attire to mass, who is to say that it is not appropriate?
Logically, the church decides. Just like restaurants decide what dress is acceptable for their establishment, so should the Church.

Or do restaurants not have the right to decide what dress must be worn in their establishment?
 
Logically, the church decides. Just like restaurants decide what dress is acceptable for their establishment, so should the Church.

Or do restaurants not have the right to decide what dress must be worn in their establishment?
Restaurant dress codes are business decisions. I would hope that this case is more like your grandparents deciding what kind of clothing to tolerate in their home.
 
Either way, the establishment *could *set the rules. Note I am not advocating they do, but to ask who would enforce it overlooks the fact that standards are set by every other establishment in the free world.
 
Logically, the church decides. Just like restaurants decide what dress is acceptable for their establishment, so should the Church.

Or do restaurants not have the right to decide what dress must be worn in their establishment?
Restaurants have that right, of course, the question is whether to have a dress code would be prudent or not. It probably would not be prudent (i.e. profit maximizing) for a local diner to require a coat and tie. They would lose too much business that way.

The same question can be applied to a church. Should a church have a dress code, other than that which prohibits immodest and offensive clothing? The real question is whether it is prudent or not.
 
I keep seeing men dressed in long ties with business suits at mass.

Yet at mass we go to visit GOD. This isn’t just a business meeting.

If we were invited to a ball with the president, you wouldn’t wear a business suit with a long tie… you would wear a tuxedo. Even for a wedding we wear tuxedos. Is God less important than a wedding?

Then the few people who DO wear a tuxedo and bowtie to mass, have on a BLACK tie. Black tie is for formal but not extra-special occasions. This is GOD they are visiting. Why not bring out the white bow tie for mass? We’re only asked to go once a week…
What’s a “tie”?
 
When I went to school, the rule of thumb from the nuns was that you wore your Sunday best. I don’t mean Armani, Chanel, Juicy Couture, or BCBG. You wore your best dress, your best suit, your best blouse, your best skit, or your best slacks. Furthermore, the attire should be neat, clean and modest.
I dress for Mass better than I do for anything else, and let it go at that…👍
 
I keep seeing men dressed in long ties with business suits at mass.

Yet at mass we go to visit GOD. This isn’t just a business meeting.

If we were invited to a ball with the president, you wouldn’t wear a business suit with a long tie… you would wear a tuxedo. Even for a wedding we wear tuxedos. Is God less important than a wedding?

Then the few people who DO wear a tuxedo and bowtie to mass, have on a BLACK tie. Black tie is for formal but not extra-special occasions. This is GOD they are visiting. Why not bring out the white bow tie for mass? We’re only asked to go once a week…
I believe that St. Francis would argue that the peasant robe would be more appropriate.
 
I believe that St. Francis would argue that the peasant robe would be more appropriate.
Interesting point. Do we go to dazzle, or in humility?

The idea of wearing a flashy tux or dress/gown, but insisting on kneeling for Communion on the tongue as a gesture of reverence and humility seems to be a contrast in ideas.
 
Black tie and white tie should only be worn after 6pm. For morning mass, a business suit, a stroller, or a cutaway morning coat would be more appropriate if we are to judge this by the standard of formal wear.
 
Interesting point. Do we go to dazzle, or in humility?

The idea of wearing a flashy tux or dress/gown, but insisting on kneeling for Communion on the tongue as a gesture of reverence and humility seems to be a contrast in ideas.
I for one would prefere to kneel at an altar rail and receive on the tongue.
 
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