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Even today, our Church prophesies that marvelous works shall come forth when Christ returns again, the likes of which this planet has never witnessed before in its entire history. There is yet a greater light to be revealed unto us.
 
well I think that Jesus was perfect in his ministry and gave us everything we needed. (As Paul tells us in Hebrews)
I seek only the perfect light and knowledge that he already gives us.
 
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majick275:
well I think that Jesus was perfect in his ministry and gave us everything we needed. (As Paul tells us in Hebrews)
I seek only the perfect light and knowledge that he already gives us.
So wheres the missing half hour?
 
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majick275:
missing half hour? What are you referring to?
Rev. 10: 4
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Rev. 8: 1
1 AND when he had opened the seventh seal, there was csilence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

This is very important because its our time. So whos the Prophet Gods going to call to reveal it?

Amos 3: 7
7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
 
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Zakuska:
Rev. 10: 4
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Rev. 8: 1
1 AND when he had opened the seventh seal, there was csilence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

This is very important because its our time. So whos the Prophet Gods going to call to reveal it?

Amos 3: 7
7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
I am sorry but I don’t get what you are saying here. I think you and I have a VERY different idea of the meaning of John’s Revelation. where in your revelations scriptures does it say God can’t reveal it himself? please read Hebrews 1 for why he doesn’t need to call prophets anymore. Your Amos scripture was BEFORE Christ. He changed the whole world from the old covenant to the new one.

I don’t think you’ll find a single reputable non-LDS scientist to agree with any of this “nephi project’s” findings.
 
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majick275:
I am sorry but I don’t get what you are saying here. I think you and I have a VERY different idea of the meaning of John’s Revelation. where in your revelations scriptures does it say God can’t reveal it himself? please read Hebrews 1 for why he doesn’t need to call prophets anymore. Your Amos scripture was BEFORE Christ. He changed the whole world from the old covenant to the new one.

I don’t think you’ll find a single reputable non-LDS scientist to agree with any of this “nephi project’s” findings.
If God does not need to call prophets anymore then whay did there contiue to be prophets in the Church? And who are the two prophets who die and are ressurected just prior to the second coming?

1 Cor. 14: 29
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the esaints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under dobedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in aorder.

Rev. 11: 10
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Heck perhpas you should remove the book of Revelation from your bible. It was written after Christ came!
:eek:

Give it time several non-LDS Scientists have been called in for peer review.
 
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Zakuska:
If God does not need to call prophets anymore then whay did there contiue to be prophets in the Church? And who are the two prophets who die and are ressurected just prior to the second coming?

1 Cor. 14: 29
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

Rev. 11: 10
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Give it time several non-LDS Scientists have been called in for peer review.
Where in the NT Church was there a Church president with 2 counselors? Where in the NT Church was there only one prophet? There were many prophets, some were even women. The modern LDS verision of a prophet did not exist in the New Testament. How can you accuse us of not being consistent with the early Church when neither are you? Where in the NT Church do we find deacons at 12, teachers at 14, and priests at 16? This whole claim is just silly.
 
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Zakuska:
If God does not need to call prophets anymore then whay did there contiue to be prophets in the Church? And who are the two prophets who die and are ressurected just prior to the second coming?

1 Cor. 14: 29
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the esaints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under dobedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in aorder.

Rev. 11: 10
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Heck perhpas you should remove the book of Revelation from your bible. It was written after Christ came!

:eek:

Give it time several non-LDS Scientists have been called in for peer review.
did you read that…“PROPHETS” Oops…the NT has many prophets yet you have only one. Guess you’re not the true church.
 
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Tmaque:
Where in the NT Church was there a Church president with 2 counselors? Where in the NT Church was there only one prophet? There were many prophets, some were even women. The modern LDS verision of a prophet did not exist in the New Testament. How can you accuse us of not being consistent with the early Church when neither are you? Where in the NT Church do we find deacons at 12, teachers at 14, and priests at 16? This whole claim is just silly.
Why did Peter James and John hang out together so much? At one point in the Bible we can count 15 Aposltes. Hmm that kind of Looks LDS to me. 3 at the top over the 12. Then theres the whole deal of the seventies. Even Moses had the same church setup. What do you think the Sanhedran was? You hear all over the OT of the Seventy Elders. As well as the 12. The orginization of the Chruch has been the same since the dawn of time. That is until the Catholic church got a hold of it.

You forget LDS teachings… all members are prophets and can recieieve revelation for their own personal spheres. But the “President” of the Church, is the head of the body of prophets.
 
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Zakuska:
So wheres the missing half hour?
It’s not a missing half hour, but is silence, as a prelude to the coming of the Lord (cf. Zeph 1:7).
 
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Tmaque:
did you read that…“PROPHETS” Oops…the NT has many prophets yet you have only one. Guess you’re not the true church.
Did you read my last post… all the 12 are susstained as prophet seers and revelators so are all the memebers. The Prophet… is the president of the church. the head of the body of prophets.

I don’t see one Prophet in the catholics church only a man made offfice of Pope.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
It’s not a missing half hour, but is silence, as a prelude to the coming of the Lord (cf. Zeph 1:7).
Yes that it is but its held as silence so no body can calculate the hour.
 
Pauls letter to the Corinthians was talking about gifts of the spirit. Prophets in this context were those who had this spiritual gift. (bestowed by the Holy Spirit not called through men) He warns about getting too caught up in the gift of tongues, abusing/misuing spritual gifts and why they are given. He tells us that prophecy is the greatest of these gifts. If you read the whole book and don’t just pull verses out of context you will see that this would require their to be much more than 1 or 3 or 12 or even 15 prophets. Have you notice in the NT that the prophecy of Daniel is referenced where it speaks of women prophesying? If you want to take this passage of scripture as the guide for running the church then what of this:

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under dobedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


Does that sound like LDS services?

The Apostles were those that “witnessed” Christ. (even LDS apostles refer to themselves as special witnesses of Christ) The sanhedrin did not have a first presidency or quorum of twelve or anything resembling that. as for the seventy… you might want to look at those translation errors. It wasn’t calling either it was a specific number sent out. You might consider the symbology of numbers in ancient jewish writings as well. Seventy didn’t always mean seventy the integer.

Where in the Bible (or even the BoM) were presidencies a calling (quorum president, church president, counselors etc.?) Once again we see the hand of sidney rigdon.
 
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Zakuska:
Why did Peter James and John hang out together so much? At one point in the Bible we can count 15 Aposltes. Hmm that kind of Looks LDS to me. 3 at the top over the 12. Then theres the whole deal of the seventies. Even Moses had the same church setup. What do you think the Sanhedran was? You hear all over the OT of the Seventy Elders. As well as the 12. The orginization of the Chruch has been the same since the dawn of time. That is until the Catholic church got a hold of it.

You forget LDS teachings… all members are prophets and can recieieve revelation for their own personal spheres. But the “President” of the Church, is the head of the body of prophets.
Calling someone an apostle doesn’t make them one. The apostles were chosen from those who had seen the risen Lord. Are you saying that the LDS apostles have all seen the resurrected Christ? There is no mention of “First Presidency”, the seventies, apostles that had not seen Christ, anywhere in the writings of the early church. Do you honestly believe that all of this just vanished within a few years with nary a trace? Now THAT’S impossible.
 
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Zakuska:
Why did Peter James and John hang out together so much? At one point in the Bible we can count 15 Aposltes. Hmm that kind of Looks LDS to me.
15? Please expand on this. Where in the Bible does it mention that there where 15 Apostles at ONE TIME?
What do you think the Sanhedran was?
The sanhedrin was composed of 71 members not 70. If you want to check it out go to this. Plus, they were the ones who went against Jesus. They were the ones who had Him crucified. Is that how your First Presidency and the council of the 70 modeled. I don’t think so. I just think it is a bad way to use the Bible as a reference for the setup of your organization.
 
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Zakuska:
Yes that it is but its held as silence so no body can calculate the hour.
Even if it was not silent, nobody could calculate the hour. Any attempt at Bible math in this sense is folly. The silence is simply a prelude to the coming of the Lord. One need not calculate anything. The Holy Spirit did not come to guide us to become mathematicians, but Christians.
 
In Acts 1 we have Peter filling the Vacancy in the Apostolic Chair with one Matthias.

Later In Acts Peter sends newly converted Paul and Barnabas on a mission to the Gentiles. They are called Apostles (Acts 14:14). And in Acts 15:22 we see Barsabas who was up for the position of Judas but got beet out by the straw drawing by Mathias Join Paul and Barnabus from Jerusalem to Antioch.

Also Im not sure if there is any record what so ever that Barnabas had ever “seen the Lord”.

So we have at least 14 Aposltes right there.

Yes the Sanhedran had 71, 70 priests and 1 High Priest.

Lets see the 70 and twelve of Moses.

Ex. 24: 1
1 AND he said unto Moses, Come up unto the LORD, thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off.

Ex. 24: 9
9 ¶ Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and aseventy of the belders of Israel:

Why did Moses bring Aaron Nadan and Abihu as well as seventy elders?

Perhaps a Presidency Qurom?

Heres the twelve…

Num. 1: 44
44 These are those that were numbered, which Moses and Aaron numbered, and the princes of Israel, being atwelve men: each one was for the house of his fathers.

Ex. 24: 4
4 And Moses awrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

Ex. 28: 21
21 And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the btwelve tribes.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
Even if it was not silent, nobody could calculate the hour. Any attempt at Bible math in this sense is folly. The silence is simply a prelude to the coming of the Lord. One need not calculate anything. The Holy Spirit did not come to guide us to become mathematicians, but Christians.
We can come pretty close. 😉

1 Thes 5
1 BUT of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The Children of light know when its coming. 😉
 
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