Looking for fellow Jewish converts who are now Traditional Catholics

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I, too, doubt we’re related. Herzog is a very common name in Germany. And my German ancestors emigrated there, to the town of Wachbach, from western Russia.

He sounds like a very interesting man!
 
Born and baptized Catholic, converted to Judaism, spent 25 years as a Jew, and I loved it. I lived in Israel and it was truly an amazing and life changing experience. If not for the passion for Gd awakened in me through Judaism I would not be Catholic again now (went through RCIA for adult confirmation a couple years ago). I still consider myself Jewish and am clearly fervently Roman Catholic. I’m sorry your experience with Judaism was spiritually hollow, that was definitely not my experience and I will always have a deep love for Judaism. I do believe the relationship I established with Gd in Judaism is what brought be back to the Church–with a vengeance!😋
I, too, consider myself a Jewish Roman Catholic. I believe Christ is the Messiah, or I would return to the Jewish faith.
 
according to Torah teaching, blood sacrifice of animals atoned only (or nearly only) for UNINTENTIONAL sins toward G-d, but NOT for intentional sins toward others. The latter could only be atoned for by repentance toward one’s fellow man, as well as by prayer and alms-giving. These methods of atonement carried more weight than blood sacrifice.
For example, prayer and good deeds taking precedence over blood sacrifice is clearly indicated in the Torah, not the Talmud. And so-called rabbinic Judaism is based on ancient Judaism: it is NOT a reinvention, much less a lie.
Respectfully. Thank you kindly for the info, which flows in context in what is written and what was Historically taking place among the Jews themselves. For they to had divisions within Judaism, did they not? Greek Jews> Hellenics? and >>>Judaism, Jews >Judaizers? Were there not 9 or 27 different divisions in the time of the 2nd Temple or in Jesus times? Pharisees? Sadduccees? 2 different groups of Essences? Nazorenes? Ebonites or were they once known as Nazorenes etc?
Lines up with Isaiah 1:11:
Jeremiah 7-21:24 >>stating > I did not command them!
Then there is Jeremiah Chapter 8:1-4 >searched in what is written to what you posted>>>>Thank you again! Peace)
 
Actually, I know of that happening to someone else, whom I knew offline, a longtime friend who sadly passed on in 2002. Not the exact situation as you, but similar.

She had converted to Catholicism while searching, many years prior, her parents were Jewish but not religious…when her father died, she returned to Judaism (Orthodox this time) because her father asked it of her on his deathbed. But while in Orthodox Judaism, she discovered many things pointing toward Jesus as Messiah, and returned to the Church, this time with genuine, true faith. So YES, things within Judaism can lead someone to the Church, you’re not the first I’ve known of!

Proof that when you truly belong to Christ (or have been chosen by Him), He will find you and draw you back, even using the most interesting of situations. 🙂
 
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The NAZI genocide of Jews was both religious and race based, whereas the latter was more stressed because Germany had passed laws that forbade religious discrimination in the late 18o0’s.
 
The Nazis were anti-Christian, so why would their persecution be religiously based? It was based on RACE, not religion, which is why faked baptismal certificates didn’t work.
 
Where in the written Torah (5 Books of Moses) does it say that tefilah and Tzdakah take precedence over blood sacrifices? I am specifying the Five Books of Moses since I know in Judaism the Talmudic oral traditions are also called “Torah”.
 
Everybody is correct here. To the Nazis, it was primarily a racial issue. They wanted to have their “pure” master race. However, they did employ religion as their means of convincing the masses because it was more effective than any rally or parade. They had no use for religion otherwise, and would’ve happily jettisoned it altogether had they succeeded in their plans. It took a confluence of history timing out just exactly wrong for the Nazis to come to power, but it was their takeover of the church that really made their horror possible.

As to why the church gave in, we have to go back to the 1817 Prussian Unification. The many states of what would become Prussia and Germany were either Lutheran or Reformed, and Lutherans would never share communion/fellowship with the Reformed, despite the latter’s attempts to do so. The civil leaders of Prussia realized that their dreams of competing with England or preventing another Napoleon couldn’t happen without a unified state and culture. So they forced the Lutherans and Reformed to merge into a weird, technically-separate-but-actually-generically-Calvinist church. To placate 300+ years of very separate tradition and teaching between Lutheran and Reformed, the Prussians imposed a common worship service and invented a narrative that made Calvinism and Lutheranism buddies. They raised up Calvin, Luther, Zwingli and others as if they were all on the same ‘side.’ They were made heroes of the Reformation, rather than their Reformations. Those who didn’t conform to the ‘new history’ (Lutherans) were punished, often at the point of the noose or prison time (some escaped to other countries, including those who would found LCMS in America and the LCA in Australia).

This process only accelerated in the following century with the ascension of Bismarck. By the time he was made Chancellor, Luther and Calvin and Zwingli were no longer churchy names, but household ones – more civic heroes and national points of pride than religious scholars studied by your local pastor. Then came WWI. The victors left Germany with such heavy reparations, that little else was left for common folk other than their crushed national pride-- even their monarchy would be taken from them! (Partly their own doing, from socialist uprisings.) The Nazis seized on this with disturbing efficiency. Nevermind the lamentable fact that nearly every Catholic of the time preached ill of the Jews, nevermind that Luther was actually softer than others of his day (he wrote Jesus Christ was Born a Jew in outreach to them) – the Nazis could abuse Luther as a ‘National Hero Prooftext’ for their evil. And they did.
 
Luther was hoping the Jews would join his new religion, and so he became Judeophilic.
However, when it became clear that they would not, he wrote The Jews and Their Lies (I read this ironically while I worked for a Lutheran book publisher who did not sell it, but had it in their library.) Link: https://www.amazon.com/Jews-Their-Lies-Martin-Luther/dp/1593640242

The Catholic Church condemned Nazism in the Papal encyclical Mit Brennender Sorge: Mit Brennender Sorge (March 14, 1937) | PIUS XI

The reason why Pope Pius XII acted behind the scenes to rescue Jews was because of what the Nazis did to the Catholic Jews of Holland. After Dutch Catholic Bishop De Jong in 1942 condemned the Nazis by name from the pulpit, the Nazis decided to round up all Catholics of Jewish heritage (including Sr Edith Stein and her sister Rosa) in retribution. This was why Pope Pius XII decided to remain quiet but act behind the scenes: Johannes de Jong - Wikipedia

Note that all Jewish leaders right after WW 2 spoke highly of Pius XII for his rescue efforts for the Jews. It was not until German communist Rolf Hochhuth wrote his fictional play The Deputy in 1961, which claimed Pius XII did nothing for the Jews, that views changed.

Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest ranking Soviet to defect to the West, explained why Hochhuth chose to try to ruin Pius XII’s reputation:


As for the various protestant groups, some supported the Nazis, some did not.
 
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Yes, there were some Churchmen who were pro-fascist, but they were not the majority.
 
The Nazis were anti-Christian, so why would their persecution be religiously based? It was based on RACE, not religion, which is why faked baptismal certificates didn’t work.
They should have worked. Christians aren’t usually ethnically Jewish. I’m one of the few I know who is.
 
One trick the Nazis used to determine if Jews being hidden were Jewish or not, was to ask the men to drop their pants. In Europe then and now, Gentile men are almost never circumcised.
 
Yup. I’m familiar with him. Had a professor back in undergrad who was obsessed with him and Bourdieu. It was a long semester…
 
The Nazis were anti-Christian, so why would their persecution be religiously based? It was based on RACE, not religion, which is why faked baptismal certificates didn’t work.
It’s important to know the history, and race simply wasn’t the only reason for the Holocaust, as even the Church admitted later. The NAZI’s, including Hitler, hid their anti-Christian bent, and Hitler usually paid tribute to God during his speeches as a form of pandering to the masses… Roughly 7000 priests were arrested and imprisoned or executed in German occupied lands, but they were tried on charges such as treason and sedition. .
 
We’re often annoyed about similar things though so that might not entirely count!

The thing is, us Jews are just too naughty for words.
 
Yes, there were some Churchmen who were pro-fascist, but they were not the majority.
I wish I could agree with you but I can’t. Estimates have it that at the peak of their popularity, the NAZI’s were somewhere between 70-80% accepted by the masses, and most of the them were Christian, split fairly evenly between Catholics and Protestants. .

However, later in the war, Hitler’s popularity dropped significantly in Bavaria, which has the highest percentage of Catholics in Germany, and part of that was due to the primacy of the Pope in Catholic teaching, plus what the people were seeing with neighbors suddenly disappearing. .
 
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