Looking for material to address the priestly scandals

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To get back to the question at hand, Philip Lawler, a long time Catholic journalist, has written a book “The Faithful Departed: The Collapse of Boston’s Catholic Culture,” where he gets into the issue of why clergy sexual predatory behavior was allowed to be unleashed and unchecked. It appears that is not the only topic discussed since it deals with the this particular city’s Church culture writ large, but apparently gives it adequate coverage.
 
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Thanks Steve. That’s the first article I saw. I am looking for something to show a comparison between this scandal and other similar ones, and how it seems to be unfairly biased against the church.
 
I agree. It’s always hard to defend the truth of the catholic church when all everyone can see is the scandal.
 
Thanks Steve. That’s the first article I saw. I am looking for something to show a comparison between this scandal and other similar ones, and how it seems to be unfairly biased against the church.
For comparison, to look up sexual scandals among non Catholic religions is usually reported case by case for them, because they are all separate individual organizations. In general, as I’ve seen, those organizations looked at as a conglomerate, don’t fair better in this case than the Catholic Church, whether it’s pertaining to male on male (homosexuality), or male on a female child (pedophelia),

Also https://www.catholicconvert.com/blo...-protestant-and-secular-you-may-be-surprised/
 
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I thought SNAP was anti-Catholic, I remember an article where they were trying to falsely accuse a priest.
Since when is it being anti-anything when it means hearing our the imperfections of an organization? It is exactly that defensive posture that has gotten the Church to where it is. Really hearing out a victim is the only way out. Blind tribalism is not, especially using a singular example as a defense.
 
This is hardly a balanced account:
What is the true nature of the sex abuse problem?

In significant ways the media’s coverage of the scandal has been misleading or inaccurate. For example, the media reported the scandal almost exclusively in terms of “pedophile priests.” This is not correct.

According to the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-IV, pedophilia is sexual attraction to children who have not yet arrived at puberty (DSM-IV, 528). While there have been priests who were pedophiles, the overwhelming majority of cases involved a disorder called ephebophilia, a term that refers to sexual attraction to minors who have arrived at puberty (i.e., teenagers). But we shouldn’t give a false emphasis to the clinical term ephebophilia, because it masks the real nature of what is occurring: priestly homosexual activity with under-aged males.

Why the distinction between pedophilia and homosexual activity with minors? They’re both horrible.

They are, but the distinction is important because there is a qualitative difference between having sex with a seven-year-old and having sex with a seventeen-year-old. Both actions are mortal sins, to say nothing of the damage they inflict on the victims. But a seven-year-old is totally unprepared for sex, both physically and psychologically. By contrast, a normal seventeen-year-old either is able to handle the reality of sex, however much more maturing he may still need.
According to the information in the John Jay Report, 47.2% of the victims were 12 and under which means that 52.8% of the victims were teenagers. That’s hardly an “overwhelming majority of cases.” According to the report, 60% of the victims were 13 and younger, 73.2% were 14 and younger. As the passage above points out, “there is a qualitative difference between having sex with a seven-year-old and having sex with a seventeen-year-old.” But there’s also a qualitative difference between having sex with a 13 year old or even a 14 year old and a 17 year old. A 13 year old is still a child and has barely entered puberty whereas a 17 year old is almost an adult.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report

This is a problem involving people who are sexual predators, and it is inaccurate to say as the source above does that the “nature of the scandal is homosexual”.
 
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This is hardly a balanced account:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report

This is a problem involving people who are sexual predators, and it is inaccurate to say as the source above does that the “nature of the scandal is homosexual”.
Personally, Wikipedia in general, I stay away from. I don’t trust anyone who would have this disclaimer Wikipedia:General disclaimer - Wikipedia

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The article I posted from Wikipedia has footnotes with links to the documents quoted. It’s really quite easy to find them if you actually take the time to do so instead of just making a blanket dismissal of everything in Wikipedia. There is a link to the John Jay Report where you can find the exact same chart with the ages of the victims on page 70 that is in the Wikipedia article:

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...nd-Deacons-in-the-United-States-1950-2002.pdf

The report is at the website of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. But maybe you don’t think that is a reliable source either.
 
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The article I posted from Wikipedia has footnotes with links to the documents quoted. It’s really quite easy to find them if you actually take the time to do so instead of just making a blanket dismissal of everything in Wikipedia. There is a link to the John Jay Report where you can find the exact same chart with the ages of the victims on page 70 that is in the Wikipedia article:

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...nd-Deacons-in-the-United-States-1950-2002.pdf

The report is at the website of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. But maybe you don’t think that is a reliable source either.
If that report answers your question THEN why challenge / dismiss links from Catholic Answers, also answering responding the question, as being unbalanced, but no explanation as why you think so.?

If the article I gave as a link, is unbalanced, then explain. Don’t just dismiss it without explanation

Consider also, http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/john-jay-study-undermined-by-its-own-data
 
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Thanks Steve. That’s the first article I saw. I am looking for something to show a comparison between this scandal and other similar ones, and how it seems to be unfairly biased against the church.
Are you looking for articles about other scandals?

I have read (will try to find) that moving men around and out was honestly the way it was done. Many public schools moved pedophiles from one school to another.

Unfortunately, when a person presents this “evidence” it can come across as if one is defending what happened. Not a good idea, sometimes people are seeking comfort rather than facts. They don’t want to be embarrassed to be joining the Catholic Church. This is perhaps a good time to be honest about the embarrassment, and pray for courage for them taking this leap of faith before even discussing the facts of this issue.

You are a good friend to look into this for your friends in RCIA!
to another poster, regarding the John Jay study, I gave this to consider, http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/john-jay-study-undermined-by-its-own-data

pedophile isn’t the main issue of the stats, It’s homosexuality
 
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pedophile isn’t the main issue of the stats, It’s homosexuality
I’m sure they could have pursued adult men if that was the case.
It’s reporting on the wrong conclusion taken from the stats as recorded and reported that didn’t match the conclusion of the study. It’s not speculating or projecting about what could be.
 
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I think the main issue to address is that current Bishops and Cardinals could have possibly been involved in coverups or abusers themselves.

A priest at my parish growing up, whom I knew, abused the altar boys. The priest who officiated my wedding was himself illegally married. A priest at my current parish was accused of impropriety and has left the priesthood.

I find it hard to trust any clergy any more.

I think the issue is when will the revelations ever stop.
 
I think the main issue to address is that current Bishops and Cardinals could have possibly been involved in coverups or abusers themselves.

A priest at my parish growing up, whom I knew, abused the altar boys. The priest who officiated my wedding was himself illegally married. A priest at my current parish was accused of impropriety and has left the priesthood.

I find it hard to trust any clergy any more.

I think the issue is when will the revelations ever stop.
I’ve posted this story many times. It was a sermon given in an EWTN mass about a priest who had a NDE. Note what Fr Jose was shown about hell and those he knew who he didn’t expect to see there.
 
I once read a statistic that a child is more than 8 times more likely to be molested by a public school teacher than by a priest. With as many recent articles I have seen in concert with this, I wouldn’t doubt it is true. Why isn’t it more of a scandal. Because public schools have a financial limitation of liability, about 100,000 to 150,000 dollars. It isn’t worth an attorney’s time to go after them. The cash cow that is the RCC, that’s a different story.
I’d also remember that these incidents were 20 to 40 years ago, and not everyone accused was found to be guilty. Problem is that the church preferred to settle these cases rather than try to prove innocence in a court of law. Just gave the church a big black eye.
Yes, there are scandals. But in fairness, there should be an honest look at the cases and the church’s resolve to never let this happen again.
 
Very true. It may surprise some people but not all homosexuals are attracted to teenage boys. Blaming the gays just isn’t going to wash with the majority of people (and rightly so).
 
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