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[zerinus]

I have personally know of hundreds of Catholics in my area that received the Sacrament of Confirmation as infants.

Wow! You mean to tell me that the canon law too is wrong?

zerinus

 

[1holycatholic]

Wow! You mean to tell me that the canon law too is wrong?

zerinus

No. I mean to tell you that your knowledge of the Church is incomplete and often erroneous.

Here is one of the local Catholic Parish where infants receive the Sacrament of
Confirmation. Here is another.

Your local Parish should have RCIA classes starting soon. You should sign up.

 

[AMDGtoo]

I recieved mine at 17 and my mom recieved her in 7th or 8th grade.
!

I know, the conference of Bishops has determined different ages for the reception of Confirmation in the Latin Rite of Catholicsm (but all after the child has reached “the age of reason”.) My children received theirs at 17 while I received mine in 6th grade (in the area in which my family had moved into celebrated the Sacrament in the 5th grade). One of my granddaughters received hers, in RCIC, with her other Sacraments of Initiation when she was 8 years old.

And I know that in the Eastern Rites of Catholicism, the Sacraments of Initiation are given together while the recipient is still an infant.

 

[1holycatholic]

I know, the conference of Bishops has determined different ages for the reception of Confirmation in the Latin Rite of Catholicsm (but all after the child has reached “the age of reason”.) My children received theirs at 17 while I received mine in 6th grade (in the area in which my family had moved into celebrated the Sacrament in the 5th grade). One of my granddaughters received hers, in RCIC, with her other Sacraments of Initiation when she was 8 years old.

And I know that in the Eastern Rites of Catholicism, the Sacraments of Initiation are given together while the recipient is still an infant.

I have a friend who was Baptized Catholic and didn’t receive the Sacrament of Confirmation until he was ~40 years old. I didn’t receive the Sacrament of Confirmation until I was 42 years old, but that’s because I was raised outside the Church as a Protestant.

 

[majick275]

The Wikipedia article gives sources for its statements. It doesn’t just talk baloney. The canon law of the Catholic has determined the age of confirmation to be the age of reason or discretion, which according to the canon law is 7:

Can. 97 §2. A minor before the completion of the seventh year is called an infant and is considered not responsible for oneself (non sui compos). With the completion of the seventh year, however, a minor is presumed to have the use of reason. Source

Can. 891 The sacrament of confirmation is to be conferred on the faithful at about the age of discretion unless the conference of bishops has determined another age, or there is danger of death, or in the judgment of the minister a grave cause suggests otherwise. Emphasis added] Source

The amount of flexibility the local bishops have to determine the date in individual cases is beside the point. See also the following links:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_reason_(canon_law)
adoremus.org/ConfirmationAge.html

zerinus

you misunderstand canon law. those are minimums. you alo misunderstand the authority of local bishops. the LDS aticle states that confirmation happens at 7 or 8 and while it CAN, it rarely does. in actual practice most bishops prefer to perform this sacrament in the midteens so that the individual is beter catechized and makes this decision themselves. you might be better off looking at the catechism rather than wikipedia soundbites. that way you don’t take canons so far out of context.

 

[majick275]

Wow! You mean to tell me that the canon law too is wrong?

zerinus

no just your misquoting of it.

CHAPTER III : THE PERSONS TO BE CONFIRMED

Can. 889 §1 Every baptised person who is not confirmed, and only such a person, is capable of receiving confirmation.

§2 Apart from the danger of death, to receive confirmation lawfully a person who has the use of reason must be suitably instructed, properly disposed and able to renew the baptismal promises.

Can. 890 The faithful are bound to receive this sacrament at the proper time. Parents and pastors of souls, especially parish priests, are to see that the faithful are properly instructed to receive the sacrament and come to it at the opportune time.

Can. 891 The sacrament of confirmation is to be conferred on the faithful at about the age of discretion, unless the Episcopal Conference has decided on a different age, or there is a danger of death or, in the judgement of the minister, a grave reason suggests otherwise.

(the episcopal conference means the bishops)

 

[1holycatholic]

no just your misquoting of it.

CHAPTER III : THE PERSONS TO BE CONFIRMED

Can. 889 §1 Every baptised person who is not confirmed, and only such a person, is capable of receiving confirmation.

§2 Apart from the danger of death, to receive confirmation lawfully a person who has the use of reason must be suitably instructed, properly disposed and able to renew the baptismal promises.

Can. 890 The faithful are bound to receive this sacrament at the proper time. Parents and pastors of souls, especially parish priests, are to see that the faithful are properly instructed to receive the sacrament and come to it at the opportune time.

Can. 891 The sacrament of confirmation is to be conferred on the faithful at about the age of discretion, unless the Episcopal Conference has decided on a different age, or there is a danger of death or, in the judgement of the minister, a grave reason suggests otherwise.

(the episcopal conference means the bishops)

Don’t forget the Eastern Rites which have their own canon law.
intratext.com/IXT/ENG1199/RA.HTM

 

[zerinus]

you misunderstand canon law. those are minimums. you alo misunderstand the authority of local bishops. the LDS aticle states that confirmation happens at 7 or 8 and while it CAN, it rarely does. in actual practice most bishops prefer to perform this sacrament in the midteens so that the individual is beter catechized and makes this decision themselves. you might be better off looking at the catechism rather than wikipedia soundbites. that way you don’t take canons so far out of context.

That article was trying to give a general idea of Catholicism to its readers, and within those general guidelines it was accurate enough. Contrast that with the biased, distorted, and often intentionally misleading information about Mormonism that is published on various Catholic websites such as CA, or even the Vatican. There is no comparison. The truth is that we are sufficiently sure of ourselves that we don’t feel the need to misrepresent other peoples’ faiths. Those who do that only manifest their own theological insecurity—and be assured that it is not on those who read them either. People are not stupid.

zerinus

 

[1holycatholic]

That article was trying to give a general idea of Catholicism to its readers, and within those general guidelines it was accurate enough. Contrast that with the biased, distorted, and often intentionally misleading information about Mormonism that is published on various Catholic websites such as CA, or even the Vatican. There is no comparison. The truth is that we are sufficiently sure of ourselves that we don’t feel the need to misrepresent other peoples’ faiths. Those who do that only manifest their own theological insecurity—and be assured that it is not on those who read them either. People are not stupid.

zerinus

You don’t have to leave the lds.org website to find information refuting Mormonism.

scriptures.lds.org/en/in/g/74

[quote=LDS.org]Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are gods, not angels.
[/quote]

forums.catholic-questions.org/member.php?u=44362

w_stewart:

There can never be two, much less, multiple gods:

If there are two or more gods, one can be distinguished from the other.

1. There can never be two, much less three or more infinites.
2. Because if there are two infinites, one can be distinguished from the other.
3. If one can be distinguished from the other, there are characteristics of one which the other may not have.
4. If there are characteristics of one which the other may not have, therefore, the other has limitation.
5. If the other has limitation, therefore, it is not infinite.

 

[LittleDeb]

It took only 7 posts for this thread to get hijacked. Hmmm. Is that a new record for you zerinus?

I, for one, am hoping that the OP finds a helpful book.

 

[why_me]

A good book would be the Encyclopedia of Mormonism which can also be found on the internet.

lib.byu.edu/Macmillan/

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Back on the subject of confirmation. I don’t know how they do it now, but traditonally it was done as follows at around age 13:

The Roman Catholic church has a service of first communion at the age of 7 after which a person may take communion.

Confirmation may be carried out at any age but it is the normal practice to carry out confirmation about the age of 13.

A confirmation service held in the Roman Catholic church is always conducted by a bishop. During the service he asks each candidate three questions about their own spiritual behaviour.
These are a reflection of the questions asked of the parents and godparents at their baptism:
• Do you turn to Christ ?
• Do you repent of your sins ?
• Do you renounce evil ?
The positive answer “I do” is expected of each question.

The bishop then tells them "You must now declare before God and his Church that you accept the Christian faith into which you have been baptised and in which you will continue to live and grow. Then are then asked the questions about their faith that their parents and godparents were asked at baptism.
• Do you believe in God the Father who made the Earth ?
• Do you believe in his Son Jesus Christ who redeemed mankind ?
• Do you believe in the Holy Spirit who gives life to the people of God?

To each of these they must reply “I believe and trust in him”.

The bishop then lays his hand on the candidate and says
“Confirm O Lord you servant, N, with you Holy Spirit. Defend, O Lord, your servant with your heavenly grace until they come into your Heavenly Kingdom. Amen”

In the Roman Catholic church the bishop anoints each person with a special oil called the oil of chrism and says to them “Be sealed with the Holy Spirit”

 

[RebeccaJ]

In the Roman Catholic church the bishop anoints each person with a special oil called the oil of chrism and says to them “Be sealed with the Holy Spirit”

Just a small note to add, the anointing is not like that of a Mormon anointing, where a few drops of oil are used on your head. You come away dripping, from where the Bishop has made the sign of the Cross on your forehead.