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If you would permit me, I feel I need to share with y’all some of the insights/questions that the celebration of Holy Pascha brought me. I can’t hold this inside anymore!

First of all, I was overjoyed to celebrate the great mystery. It felt like waves of joy were rising up in me and bursting out in a smile or a sigh of delight! The biggest thing was the reception of the Holy, Spotless, Immortal, and Life-giving Mystery of the Most Holy Eucharist which I received three times on Pascha, once during the Great Paschal Vigil, and twice on the morning of Pascha proper. I would have received more had Mother Church not lovingly directed us to only receive Our Lord twice in one day.

To have participated, especially with all the obstacles of my personal life during Holy Week, in the Holy Triduum was an inexpressable blessing and I am grateful.

Yet something else happened on Pascha Sunday. I recount this with some tenderness as it presents me with some embrassment. Before the start of the early 8:15 am Mass, I was thinking, as I usually do from time to time, about the state of the Church. Thankfully, the Paschal celebration dimmed these thoughts allowing me to worship in peace.

However when I returned home, I allowed myself to confront these thoughts and I came to a difficult conclusion, one which is affecting me greatly.

Part and parcel of this was a cursory reading of Fr. John Baldovin SJ’s Reforming the Liturgy: A Response to Critics. This book is a paradox of my little library. It is a respone to many of my “heroes” of the “Reform of the Reform” movement. In the book Fr. John, a Jesuit, responds to every criticism of the current Roman Liturgy, largely defending it. He is also no traditional Roman rite priest either. He advocates greater inclusiveness of non-Roman cultural traditions and music into the Liturgy…like jazz music and “upbeat” Liturgies. He even admits the possibility that, in the future, “Christian rock” Masses may become common and accepted by the Church. Even further than this, he argues against Pope Benedict’s *Summorum Pontificum *which allows for the expanded use of the 1962 Missal of Blessed John XXIII (Tridentine Mass). He is very much against what he sees as “Euro-centric” cultural trends in Ratzinger and other liturgical reformists, as opposed to a Roman rite which is adoptive of African and Asian cultural traditions.

He rubs hard against me…however he makes one point that I cannot escape:

The Age of Faith is gone. With that statement he argues that the liturgical expressions of the past too have passed. After analyzing all the “reform of the reform” movements, he suggests that there will be no returns to ad orientem altars. There will be no widespread use of Latin in the liturgy. There will be no sense of the ancient in future Masses. He appeals to the power of the *sensus fidelum *of the laity. He notes how quickly parish altars were turned to face the people, how quickly Latin fell out of use when no longer necessary, how fast the head coverings for women were dropped. His point is that the age that these things mattered has passed, a new age in the Church has begun and the Church is changing to meet that.

And I cannot escape the truth of his words.

I am losing faith in the “reform of the reform” movement, I can’t see anyway that the laity of this day and age would ever accept a Mass celebrated fully in accord with the intensity of the Latin rite. And what is most devestating is the idea that that kind of Liturgy may not be able to help them grow closer to God, instead it could alienate them, especially given the amount of Latin that would be a part of a fully reformed Mass of Paul VI.

I fear the damage done by the last 40 years of liturgical chaos has done more damage than I could imagine, for even while the Mass nowadays (such as in my parish for example) is often done with great care in mind of the liturgical directives…it cannot move drastically to what is done in Rome, for I have no doubt that it would alienate many parishioners. My parochial vicar once celebrated ad orientem…and I have not seen him do it since.

The “charismatic renewal” is on the rise. More and more Lifeteen Masses are springing up in parishes. The problem I see is that the damage happens so fast, and the Church is now only beginning to repair the Roman rite. Indeed, one wonders at times whether the last remnants of our rite are only to be found in places like Rome itself.

My pastor said something on the Paschal Vigil of most supreme importance: “The Liturgy is a matter of life and death.”

Things happen during the Liturgy, things which words cannot dare to utter and angels tremble to see. In the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church, and the small Roman-rite priestly orders which are allowed to celebrate the 1962 Missal of Blessed John XXIII, this knowledge of “life and death” is strong.

Indeed, it hit me last night that the greatest way to have a truly “Catholic” liturgy is when BOTH priest and people understand what the Liturgy is. When one is aware of what takes place in the Liturgy of the Church…there is simply no room for banality, accomodation, and mediocrity.

TO BE CONTINUED…
 
That last word has taken on great importance to me lately. The idea of Liturgical mediocrity has formulated what I have thought about for some time now. The trends of mediocre celebrations of the liturgy were already happening before Vatican II in the Roman rite…however with the chaos following the Ecumenical Council, the trends became full-blown and spread like wildfire. People no longer seemed to want to put in the care and work that is needed to make the Liturgy a “life and death” experience.

St. Ignatios of Antioch Melkite Church in Augusta, GA is a prime example of this idea. It is one of the most poor and tiny churches you will ever find…and yet everyone puts everything on the line to ensure that the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is done in accordance with all that Liturgy is meant to be. There is never even a moment of mediocrity. The same is true with Masses that are celebrated by Pope Benedict XVI, or other parishes scattered from place to place. To have a Roman Mass of Paul VI “as it should be” requires a great deal of attention to detail. Altar servers must be trained in Latin and English responses, as well as the competent use of incense. Priests must be able to perform the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin and both choir and congregation must be trained to make Latin responses and sing Latin songs. Vestements must be more ornate and made with better materials and Churches themselves must be built within the architectural memory of the past.

All this takes a great deal of time, effort, and money. In the end it is simply easier to accomodate the Liturgy to local areas and do the “bare necessities.”

I was once told that the Mass is not something that is to be “suffered through.” But I have suffered through Masses, not necessarily at my home parish though. I am blessed and grateful to have a parish that at the very least remains true to the directives.

It is sorely taxing. One feels as though one is facing a massive army of obstacles when one hopes for a restoration of the unity and beauty of the Roman rite. The sheer massive amount of catechesis, money, time, and the scale of it all is staggering. And in those moments, I can see why so many Catholics are becoming Orthodox…or transferring to the Byzantine rite…or joining parishes which celebrate the 1962 Missal of Blessed John XXIII.

But aside from the difficulty I encounter when I am faced with these questions…I am also finding peace.

There are moments (thanks no doubt to the fact that my priests are very good about doing the Mass according to the books) when I am at peace with the Mass. There are moments when the Mass is not a “suffering” experience. Part and parcel of these moments are when I choose to hope, when I choose to block out all the details and such I see and simply worship. However often I do this with the idea that a day is coming when all the “suffering” parts will pass away…I suppose last night’s reading of the book I spoke of above simply brought these things to mind again.

I was sorely vexed at my parochial vicar’s homily about people who are “always miserable.” I felt convicted in the heart of my own stringency in looking at Liturgy. But then I was faced (and even now faced) with the thought that what my parcohial vicar was talking about may not apply to me.

I am not looking for a Mass that accomodates to my personal tastes. I believe I can say this because when I saw the “ad orientem” Mass, I did **NOT **like it. I couldn’t see what was going on and it annoyed me. Further, when I see Masses done with the Ordinary in Latin, I am lost and unable to pariticipate as I would like (which is one of the reasons why I am not a big fan of the so-called Tridentine Liturgy). Also, I don’t like the idea of only partaking of the Host during communion, or the hard work I would have to put into a “true” Roman Mass as an altar server! These factors, and others, lead me to believe that I am looking for a liturgy that is faithful to the continuity of Roman rite Christianity, not to my own desires for reverence per se.

And then I realize…If I am “put-off” by a true Roman Mass, how much more will those who are not like me be alienated from the Mass!! This brings me back to the circle that began with Fr. John’s disturbing point that the world has changed and the Mass must accomodate that change.

In the end, I must also question whether this is all simply me. The reason why the Catholic Church has so many rites and expressions of its theology is so that it can encompass all peoples. Given my ardent love of Byzantine rite Christianity and my own burning desire for liturgical continuity and sublimity at all times, I am confronted with the question of whether the rite I was born into is not the rite God is calling me to…and whether I am indeed called to “cross the Bosphorus” while remaining in communion with Rome.

At the same time another question arises. Several priestly groups exist in the Church with the express charism of the Holy Spirit to do one particular thing: celebrate the 1962 pre-conciliar Roman Rite. Their place in the Body of Christ is to keep alive the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Mass, or so I have been told. The Fraternal Priestly Society of St. Peter comes to mind (FSSP). As someone with a growing (and burning) desire to be a priest and possible awareness of a vocation to the priesthood…could God be calling me to one of these religious orders? Did God simply make me the kind of person who is better able to worship and live the Christian life within the context of the old Roman rite?

Such questions arise in me from time to time. I am simply thankful that the Paschal mysteries of these past few days gave me some respite from these issues, and allowed me to just worship without all the questions that bother me.

I really would like to get y’all’s thoughts and feedback. I feel these questions are of great importance, and I feel as though resources in getting answers to these dilemmas are scarce.

Thank you and God Bless y’all!

-Anthony John
 
How about a little optimism on the occasion of the Resuurection of Our Lord? Didn’t Christ promise that gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church? Why assume the worst?

Latin is coming back. If you travel the country you will find more and more parishes throwing in the occasional Kyrie (yes, I know, it’s Greek) and Agnus Dei. This is the first step in the restoration of Latin. The Council never called for Latin to be suppressed; on the contrary (“Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites,” SC 36). Nor did the council ever suppress the traditional orientation of the altar; this was done later “in the spirit of the Council.”

Talk to some young people, and you will find that they desire to instill the Faith in their children, they are sick of the bad 1960s folk music, and they sometimes escape to the EF – the Mass of their PARENTS’ youth – because they would rather worship than “experience” “community.”

When all the 60s priests and people have gone on to their reward (and I am one of them) you will find the pendulum is back at the center, and your worst fears have not come to pass (or prevailed for only 40 years or so).

Alleluai Christ is Risen! Now cheer up!
 
Anthony, - hi brother!! 🙂 I didn’t expect to see you here! 🙂

I have to say that similar thoughts have been on my mind, I’m wondering if the ‘old’ TLM Mass will ever become mainstream again… you know what I think, I actually don’t think that it would continue getting more and more “modern”. In some places, it will, yes. But I think that in our modern society, we have so lost sense of the sacred and the holy, that sometimes people find themselves yearning for it. You said yourself that people are drawn to reverent liturgies (whether TLM, or Byzantine, or properly done Novus Ordo…). And when I look at the Vatican…I see tradition, not innovation… there are no halloween Masses at the Vatican, but there is FSSP and reverent Novus Ordo. I think that actually some time in the liturgy would begin to change and become more traditional again, and yes some people might fall away as a result and perhaps become Protestant, but those who stay will be very loyal to the Church.

Also, keep in mind this is somewhat generational as well. I’ve heard many people say how the new generations of (devout) Catholics are on average more liturgically traditional than the VII generation. This is true for the priests as well. (On average… of course, there are exceptions). So I think in the future, as the new generation grows up, it might actually move in the opposite direction than what you say…

hmm do you think that’s just wishful thinking?

it’s hard for me to think that the Mass will continue losing reverence and mystery. I think if that ever happens, God will bring it back eventually. But think of how the TLM has become more popular ever since the Pope allowed it… maybe this will continue to grow 🙂 if you asked me, I think there’s a “polarization” happening, lol. Some liberals are getting more liberal, and others are getting more conservative, with the majority just wanting a nice quiet reverent liturgy with no abuses. I’m talking about devout Catholics here, btw. Not those who don’t care.

I guess we’ll see…

but if you are considering entering the priesthood, that’s a great opportunity to put reverence back into the Mass 🙂

…btw, I wanted to let you know that I became Catholic this Saturday!!! 😃 And I finally received the Eucharist!! It was really amazing to finally receive Him 🙂 and I feel so much more peace about my decision to convert.

God bless!
 
How about a little optimism on the occasion of the Resuurection of Our Lord? Didn’t Christ promise that gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church? Why assume the worst?

Latin is coming back. If you travel the country you will find more and more parishes throwing in the occasional Kyrie (yes, I know, it’s Greek) and Agnus Dei. This is the first step in the restoration of Latin. The Council never called for Latin to be suppressed; on the contrary (“Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites,” SC 36). Nor did the council ever suppress the traditional orientation of the altar; this was done later “in the spirit of the Council.”

Talk to some young people, and you will find that they desire to instill the Faith in their children, they are sick of the bad 1960s folk music, and they sometimes escape to the EF – the Mass of their PARENTS’ youth – because they would rather worship than “experience” “community.”

When all the 60s priests and people have gone on to their reward (and I am one of them) you will find the pendulum is back at the center, and your worst fears have not come to pass (or prevailed for only 40 years or so).

Alleluai Christ is Risen! Now cheer up!
I tend to think so too… btw, I’m a “young person” lol, I’m in my early 20s and I for one love the reverent Latin Mass and Gregorian chant… and I’m not a big fan of folk music lol, or “experiencing community”. I think most people who really love these things are in the VII generation: well, at least the priests are! The younger priests seem more traditional. Just what I’ve observed.
 
How about a little optimism on the occasion of the Resuurection of Our Lord? Didn’t Christ promise that gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church? Why assume the worst?
I know… 😊
Latin is coming back. If you travel the country you will find more and more parishes throwing in the occasional Kyrie (yes, I know, it’s Greek) and Agnus Dei. This is the first step in the restoration of Latin. The Council never called for Latin to be suppressed; on the contrary (“Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites,” SC 36). Nor did the council ever suppress the traditional orientation of the altar; this was done later “in the spirit of the Council.”
I am well aware of that brother, my point though is that, well, what will happen if the altars are reorientated again. Is the worry that it will “alienate” people leaving the Church to move so slowly?
Talk to some young people, and you will find that they desire to instill the Faith in their children, they are sick of the bad 1960s folk music, and they sometimes escape to the EF – the Mass of their PARENTS’ youth – because they would rather worship than “experience” “community.”
Yeah, that is definitely me…I’ll be twenty soon and I am absolutely in that camp!!! 👍
When all the 60s priests and people have gone on to their reward (and I am one of them) you will find the pendulum is back at the center, and your worst fears have not come to pass (or prevailed for only 40 years or so).
Yeah, I guess its kinda like the Israelites in the desert… :o
Alleluai Christ is Risen! Now cheer up!
Amen, you’re right. 🙂 I guess I just worry too much.
 
I tend to think so too… btw, I’m a “young person” lol, I’m in my early 20s and I for one love the reverent Latin Mass and Gregorian chant… and I’m not a big fan of folk music lol, or “experiencing community”. I think most people who really love these things are in the VII generation: well, at least the priests are! The younger priests seem more traditional. Just what I’ve observed.
I have made VERY similar observations as well. 😃

Clearly the tide is turning, but I guess for us young convert/revert folks, it just doesn’t happen fast enough! 🙂
 
Anthony, - hi brother!! 🙂 I didn’t expect to see you here! 🙂
Hehe, :D, I’ve been a part of this forum for quite some time, but I haven’t been around these parts for a little while.
I have to say that similar thoughts have been on my mind, I’m wondering if the ‘old’ TLM Mass will ever become mainstream again…
Yeah, I’ve been thinking about that too!
you know what I think, I actually don’t think that it would continue getting more and more “modern”. In some places, it will, yes. But I think that in our modern society, we have so lost sense of the sacred and the holy, that sometimes people find themselves yearning for it.
Definitely can relate here!!
And when I look at the Vatican…I see tradition, not innovation… there are no halloween Masses at the Vatican, but there is FSSP and reverent Novus Ordo.
Amen!
it’s hard for me to think that the Mass will continue losing reverence and mystery. I think if that ever happens, God will bring it back eventually.
True, I think this is a very solid thing to hope for.
But think of how the TLM has become more popular ever since the Pope allowed it… maybe this will continue to grow 🙂
Yes, of course, I am afraid that if the TLM gets too popular it will cause the division of our rite.

What I am hoping for is that the Extraordinary Use will merge with the Ordinary Form.
but if you are considering entering the priesthood, that’s a great opportunity to put reverence back into the Mass 🙂
That’s what I’ve been thinkin’!
…btw, I wanted to let you know that I became Catholic this Saturday!!! 😃 And I finally received the Eucharist!! It was really amazing to finally receive Him 🙂 and I feel so much more peace about my decision to convert.
I know the feeling! My heart is filled with such joy and love for you dearest sister!!! May the Lord draw you even closer to Him.

Isn’t it amazing how when we trust in Him, He comes through and we realize how silly our doubts really were?! 👍
 
To be Catholic is to accept ALL the Church teaches. You cannot be liberal or conservative Catholic, just Catholic. This means Charismatic movements, and latin masses, clerics and cassocks, etc and etc.
All things the Holy Spirit inspires (anything approved by the Holy Mother Church) is good and truth. If, through infallibility, the Church approves something, it is truth. We have to accept this. Although we may prefer one over the other (like I prefer the Latin and cassocks) we cannot condem the other (like charismatic, and clerics).
One thing I would like to point out that I know I will be attacked on is I DO NOT approve of:
Women Ordination
Gay rights
rock n roll at communion
or
any other new movements not approved the the church.

Pax Christi!
 
Some things I thought about re-reading the thread:

From the end of the council until the Cathechism, priest, religious, and laity had the poorest education ever! This is the generation of all the crazy things we see today. But those who are in our seminaries now understand the Vatican II and what it called for. We are returning. It will never be the same but eventually the confusion after the council will clear just as it has after every council called.

Pax Christi!
 
Some things I thought about re-reading the thread:

From the end of the council until the Cathechism, priest, religious, and laity had the poorest education ever! This is the generation of all the crazy things we see today. But those who are in our seminaries now understand the Vatican II and what it called for. We are returning. It will never be the same but eventually the confusion after the council will clear just as it has after every council called.

Pax Christi!
And that is what I am hoping and praying for!! 👍

Pray for me, for I am one to whom Christ would say: “Ye of little faith!”

Misereatur, Domine!
 
I take issue with your equating all things “charismatic” as on par with the liberal factions of the Church. Frankly, there is a spirit among those in love with the Tridentine method who have a very cliquish mentality that is counter to Christian charity. They do not realize this, of course and would never admit it.

You would do well to study spritual journals and steer away from people’s opinions about what is going on with the Church. That is for those who are ordained to do so. You are not truly qualified to have an opinion on it in any case. Less reading and musing, and more works of charity. Charismatics “put their money where their mouth is”, and are out in the trenches doing the Lord’s work. So shouldn’t you.
 
A clarification on something said above:

Just because the Church approves something doesn’t put it on par with revealed dogma. For example: the Church approves of altar girls, but good Catholics are free to believe that that was a poor decision, and they can appeal to the Church to withdraw this decision, all the while respecting the Church’s right to govern the People of God. However, we must recognize that the promise of infallibility does not extend to prudential judgments. There is a big difference between what is allowed and what is imposed. The Church can never impose something that could be intrinsically harmful to the faithful. An example of an imposed teaching is the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. To deny that, pertinaciously, is to place yourself outside the Church. To say that altar girls are a bad decision and to pray for their withdrawal is well within your rights as a Catholic.
 
That last word has taken on great importance to me lately. The idea of Liturgical mediocrity has formulated what I have thought about for some time now. The trends of mediocre celebrations of the liturgy were already happening before Vatican II in the Roman rite…however with the chaos following the Ecumenical Council, the trends became full-blown and spread like wildfire. People no longer seemed to want to put in the care and work that is needed to make the Liturgy a “life and death” experience.

St. Ignatios of Antioch Melkite Church in Augusta, GA is a prime example of this idea. It is one of the most poor and tiny churches you will ever find…and yet everyone puts everything on the line to ensure that the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is done in accordance with all that Liturgy is meant to be. There is never even a moment of mediocrity. The same is true with Masses that are celebrated by Pope Benedict XVI, or other parishes scattered from place to place. To have a Roman Mass of Paul VI “as it should be” requires a great deal of attention to detail. Altar servers must be trained in Latin and English responses, as well as the competent use of incense. Priests must be able to perform the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin and both choir and congregation must be trained to make Latin responses and sing Latin songs. Vestements must be more ornate and made with better materials and Churches themselves must be built within the architectural memory of the past.

All this takes a great deal of time, effort, and money. In the end it is simply easier to accomodate the Liturgy to local areas and do the “bare necessities.”

I was once told that the Mass is not something that is to be “suffered through.” But I have suffered through Masses, not necessarily at my home parish though. I am blessed and grateful to have a parish that at the very least remains true to the directives.

It is sorely taxing. One feels as though one is facing a massive army of obstacles when one hopes for a restoration of the unity and beauty of the Roman rite. The sheer massive amount of catechesis, money, time, and the scale of it all is staggering. And in those moments, I can see why so many Catholics are becoming Orthodox…or transferring to the Byzantine rite…or joining parishes which celebrate the 1962 Missal of Blessed John XXIII.

But aside from the difficulty I encounter when I am faced with these questions…I am also finding peace.

There are moments (thanks no doubt to the fact that my priests are very good about doing the Mass according to the books) when I am at peace with the Mass. There are moments when the Mass is not a “suffering” experience. Part and parcel of these moments are when I choose to hope, when I choose to block out all the details and such I see and simply worship. However often I do this with the idea that a day is coming when all the “suffering” parts will pass away…I suppose last night’s reading of the book I spoke of above simply brought these things to mind again.

I was sorely vexed at my parochial vicar’s homily about people who are “always miserable.” I felt convicted in the heart of my own stringency in looking at Liturgy. But then I was faced (and even now faced) with the thought that what my parcohial vicar was talking about may not apply to me.

I am not looking for a Mass that accomodates to my personal tastes. I believe I can say this because when I saw the “ad orientem” Mass, I did **NOT **like it. I couldn’t see what was going on and it annoyed me. Further, when I see Masses done with the Ordinary in Latin, I am lost and unable to pariticipate as I would like (which is one of the reasons why I am not a big fan of the so-called Tridentine Liturgy). Also, I don’t like the idea of only partaking of the Host during communion, or the hard work I would have to put into a “true” Roman Mass as an altar server! These factors, and others, lead me to believe that I am looking for a liturgy that is faithful to the continuity of Roman rite Christianity, not to my own desires for reverence per se.

And then I realize…If I am “put-off” by a true Roman Mass, how much more will those who are not like me be alienated from the Mass!! This brings me back to the circle that began with Fr. John’s disturbing point that the world has changed and the Mass must accomodate that change.

In the end, I must also question whether this is all simply me. The reason why the Catholic Church has so many rites and expressions of its theology is so that it can encompass all peoples. Given my ardent love of Byzantine rite Christianity and my own burning desire for liturgical continuity and sublimity at all times, I am confronted with the question of whether the rite I was born into is not the rite God is calling me to…and whether I am indeed called to “cross the Bosphorus” while remaining in communion with Rome.

At the same time another question arises. Several priestly groups exist in the Church with the express charism of the Holy Spirit to do one particular thing: celebrate the 1962 pre-conciliar Roman Rite. Their place in the Body of Christ is to keep alive the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Mass, or so I have been told. The Fraternal Priestly Society of St. Peter comes to mind (FSSP). As someone with a growing (and burning) desire to be a priest and possible awareness of a vocation to the priesthood…could God be calling me to one of these religious orders? Did God simply make me the kind of person who is better able to worship and live the Christian life within the context of the old Roman rite?

Such questions arise in me from time to time. I am simply thankful that the Paschal mysteries of these past few days gave me some respite from these issues, and allowed me to just worship without all the questions that bother me.

I really would like to get y’all’s thoughts and feedback. I feel these questions are of great importance, and I feel as though resources in getting answers to these dilemmas are scarce.

Thank you and God Bless y’all!

-Anthony John
Anthony - my opinion is that by e-mailing the FSSP vocation director you could easily have support in your discernment. Also, you could attend Mass at an Eastern Catholic church nearby you and look at the Eastern Catholic forum to see if you feel a better “fit” there than with the FSSP vocation director. I would certainly tell the FSSP vocation director all you’ve said here - vocation directors help with both a vocation to their order and to whatever else God may be calling you. I really think that the FSSP vocation director is more likely to be completely understanding of your traditional liturgical feelings than a diocesan vocation director (although there are exceptions, I’m sure)!

Just my :twocents:
 
A clarification on something said above:

Just because the Church approves something doesn’t put it on par with revealed dogma. For example: the Church approves of altar girls, but good Catholics are free to believe that that was a poor decision, and they can appeal to the Church to withdraw this decision, all the while respecting the Church’s right to govern the People of God. However, we must recognize that the promise of infallibility does not extend to prudential judgments. There is a big difference between what is allowed and what is imposed. The Church can never impose something that could be intrinsically harmful to the faithful. An example of an imposed teaching is the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. To deny that, pertinaciously, is to place yourself outside the Church. To say that altar girls are a bad decision and to pray for their withdrawal is well within your rights as a Catholic.
Thank you for pointing that out.
 
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