Looking for some advice with an Ex

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My ex and I have two wonderful teenage boys, 16 and 13. We have been divorced for 10 years (his decision, not mine). We were married in the Church; he was present at both boys’ baptisms, but was never active with the Church. In the years we were married, he attended mass for our wedding, both baptisms and once when his parents were visiting us. The children and I, however, attended daily mass (I was a stay at home mom during our marriage).

Since the divorce, I have lived chastely with no other relationships. My ex has re-married (a wonderful woman, imho). I have continued to raise our children in the Faith. Now that I am the sole supporter, we no longer can attend daily mass as a family, but they do attend a Catholic school. My ex and his current wife attend a Baptist church in the town where they live (the children & I live in Kansas, whereas their father lives in Mississippi).

While I have tried for many years to keep their father involved in the boys’ lives, it hasn’t been easy, as there have been so many time when the boys have called their father, only to get a voicemail and it will often be weeks before he returns their phone call.

So, there’s the history, now for the dilemma…Presently the boys are visiting their father in Mississippi. Prior to getting to MIssissippi, they spent a couple days in New Orleans. My sons fell in love with many of the churches in New Orleans and requested to attend mass, which was quickly dismissed and denied. Once I was able to calm them down after their disappointment, but it wasn’t easy (heart-breaking, on my part!).

Their relationship is strained, to say the least. This afternoon I received a text message from my oldest about an incident. Apparently, their father took them to a fireworks warehouse and attempted to purchase a fireworks display for $25, while the actual was $35. In front of our 16 year old, he unequivocally told the cashier that the price was $25; my son corrected him and told the cashier that the actual price was $35. According to my son, he “got chewed out” for over an hour for calling attention to his father’s lie. When my son tried to explain to him that being dishonest is not a trait one should strive for, he got chewed out for another hour.

My response to my son was that maybe he (his father) was just confused on the price and didn’t like being corrected in front of another adult. I couldn’t grasp someone lying in front of their child for a mere $10, so I thought for sure it was just confusion on his part (even though, having known him for 20+ years, in my heart I knew that wasn’t the case). My sons (both the one who got chewed out & the one who got to hear his brother getting fussed at) have told me no, he admitted it was to pay the lower price.

I told my son, no matter how hard it was, he needs to apologize to his father for calling him out on his dishonesty and to pray for him that God would open his heart as to why honesty is the route he should always take. My son responded that he has no problem praying for his father, but didn’t feel he should have to apologize, as he feels his father ridiculed him for being honest (again, this is something I can see their father doing). I told my son to remember the “honor they father and mother” commandment and that he wasn’t honoring his father when he calls him out in front of strangers.

My son (showing me that the money I spend for that Catholic education is worth it), responded with “Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor!” (The kid has a point!)

Was I wrong to tell him to apologize to his father? I know if he doesn’t, the rest of this month will be miserable for both of my children. Unfortunately, due to their father’s new church, my boys won’t even have the comfort of attending mass and receiving the Eucharist until next month when they’re home.

I am open to ideas for helping them during their visit when I cannot be with them. Any advice??
 
My parents are divorced and are in very different places with both religion and morality, so I understand the tough spot your son is in.

In my opinion, he should not apologize for telling the truth. No one ever should. Honoring your mother and your father means taking care of them in their old age and visiting them with your children and treating them with respect, not lying for them.

Besides, it sounds like your son (to your credit!) wasn’t being snarky with his comment to his dad; he was just honestly trying to clear up a misunderstanding. That’s a good intention.

So, as I see it, his intention was good and his action was good. Making him apologize for a well-intended good act would, IMO, send a bad message about power dynamics in his future relationships with his father and with other adults. Adults aren’t always right; turning 18 doesn’t bestow you with flawless decision-making capabilities. Sometimes teenagers can be right and adults be wrong.

I still remember the first time my mom apologized to me for her reaction to something. It was a big stepping-stone, both for her and me.

Be proud of your son. By the sounds of it, you have raised an amazing one. Congratulations!
 
My parents are divorced and are in very different places with both religion and morality, so I understand the tough spot your son is in.

In my opinion, he should not apologize for telling the truth. No one ever should. Honoring your mother and your father means taking care of them in their old age and visiting them with your children and treating them with respect, not lying for them.

Besides, it sounds like your son (to your credit!) wasn’t being snarky with his comment to his dad; he was just honestly trying to clear up a misunderstanding. That’s a good intention.

So, as I see it, his intention was good and his action was good. Making him apologize for a well-intended good act would, IMO, send a bad message about power dynamics in his future relationships with his father and with other adults. Adults aren’t always right; turning 18 doesn’t bestow you with flawless decision-making capabilities. Sometimes teenagers can be right and adults be wrong.

I still remember the first time my mom apologized to me for her reaction to something. It was a big stepping-stone, both for her and me.

Be proud of your son. By the sounds of it, you have raised an amazing one. Congratulations!
Thank you for the response! I guess I wasn’t seeing it as having him apologize for telling the truth (no apology is needed for that!), but more for correcting his father in front of another adult. Does that make sense? He (the father) is very controlling and any correction from anyone (his own parents included) is seen as a huge disrespect, which just leads to an even harder time for the boys.

I’m quite proud of my sons, they are pretty amazing, praise God! I have to giggle, as they called me after I posted to tell me: “Mom, you forgot to put a bible on our Kindles, can you transfer one over for us, please?” (They just got their Kindles a day before their trip, and while I loaded them up with the Catechism, lives of the saints, prayers and devotions, I completely missed the bible! Whoops! All fixed now!)
 
Thank you for the response! I guess I wasn’t seeing it as having him apologize for telling the truth (no apology is needed for that!), but more for correcting his father in front of another adult. Does that make sense? He (the father) is very controlling and any correction from anyone (his own parents included) is seen as a huge disrespect, which just leads to an even harder time for the boys.

I’m quite proud of my sons, they are pretty amazing, praise God! I have to giggle, as they called me after I posted to tell me: “Mom, you forgot to put a bible on our Kindles, can you transfer one over for us, please?” (They just got their Kindles a day before their trip, and while I loaded them up with the Catechism, lives of the saints, prayers and devotions, I completely missed the bible! Whoops! All fixed now!)
Not to be overly insensitive or anything, but it sounds like you’re asking him to apologize to his father for their father’s fault. He did nothing wrong, the fact that it made his father so angry - whether it was because the father was embarrassed about being corrected in front of someone else, or whatever - is clearly a case of his father overreacting. It does not seem just to ask your son to apologize to his father because his father overreacted.

It would, I think, make sense to counsel your sons to forgive their father (although probably not tell their father this unless they want another incident, guessing by what’s happened so far) and to try to put that incident behind them and enjoy the rest of the trip.

Hopefully, such a thing would not happen again, but to be honest if it did I would see absolutely zero problem with your son reacting in exactly the same way he did before. Otherwise, it’d very nearly be being complicit in petty thievery for the sake of a “nice” trip.
 
As a parent your job is first and foremost to protect your children, even if it’s from someone they love, like their father. While he will always be father to your sons, your ex’s moral actions are questionable. I commend your sons for speaking the truth and I would certainly praise them for it. As adults, we tend to compromise in social situations because of embarrassment or human respect, but we should honor truth and honesty above all else.

You have truly raised your boys well and their outspokenness in that situation is so refreshing. While your sons owe their father his due respect, they do not owe him an apology, as this would mean compromising their values. I see this situation as but a great opportunity to affirm the righteous values that you raised your boys with.

Because your husband is remarried and has taken up a new faith, taking the boys to church will be an ongoing issue. Is it possible that your ex could just drop them off to church and pick them up instead? If not, I would try to make sure that they at least attend church with you.

Also, as a parent, if you can forsee any potential situations happening as in the church incident, it would be prudent to discuss your wishes with your ex in advance. If he does not uphold to his part, then perhaps he should not be seeing the boys as regularly.

You have great concern for your boys and as their mother you have the authority over them and over what happens in their lives. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you whenever they need to see their father and as different situations arise. The Holy Spirit is always there for guidance and help if you would just call upon Him.

God Bless
 
I think you should let your son decide what to do. On the surface, it sounds like he was completely innocent and no apology was needed. On the other hand, I know teens and they are very good at the “all I was doing was…” game. Yes, it’s wrong to tell a lie, but was his intention to stir things up with his father and call him to account in public?

I have a vivid memory of my step-mother telling the man at the amusement park that she had four children and myself correcting her very loudly that I was thirteen, not twelve. I was being a snot and, of course, now I know it. That day I would have sworn up hill and down dale that I was only doing the virtuous thing.

It is possible to do the right thing for the wrong reason. The intention is what is important and only your son knows what that is. So, since he is nearly grown, I would let him decide if he did the right thing or not.
 
PS- Regarding the New Orleans episode: To avoid this problem in the future, you might encourage your boys to remind their dad about attending Mass while on vacation during the planning phase. I think the idea has a better chance of being accepted that way. I can understand a Non-Catholic not wanting his vacation interrupted by a sudden desire to go to a church he is uncomfortable with. That being said, I’ve been to New Orleans and I’m sure I know exactly which church is in question and there are hours worth of entertainment that could be persued in the square adjacent to that church that your ex and his wife could have taken advantage of had they been in a cooperative mood.
 
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