Looking for the stats on “homosexuality & pedophilia”

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Many people refer to The John Jay College study into the causes of clerical abuse as “the most comprehensive study of its kind”, which “discounted any link between homosexuality and sexual abuse”; but a while back there was another study that showed statistically higher rates of pedophilia were perpetrated by homosexual men.
—- I’d like to compare the two studies and how they got their findings, etc., but I can’t remember who did the other study.

Does anyone here have the name of that study and/or a link for it?
Thanks in advance!
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Sandra
 
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Didn’t find anything useful there, unfortunately.
I mean, common sense tells you that since more boys are molested by far than girls are, and that the vast majority of pedophiles are men, that the crime is mostly perpetrated by homosexual men.
 
Two different sets of data here:
  • @TheLittleLady is giving statistics about the population as a whole related to sexual abuse
  • @jofa is talking about the subset of that info, namely the percentage of children abused by priests (which has a much higher percentage of male victims)
Sadly, we must remember that for every reported case there are likely three others that are never reported.

Thanks to all who protect the vulnerable among us,
Deacon Christopher
 
Sadly, I suspect that the actual figures are much higher than that. However, I do not doubt that girls are are more likely to be victims than boys are. The issue in the Catholic Church, as I am sure that you are aware, is that pedophiles tend to be opportunistic, and priests tend to have more access to boys than they do to girls.

I have said this before, and I’ll say it again: pedophilia is a paraphilia, not a sexual orientation.
 
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is that pedophiles tend to be opportunistic, and priests tend to have more access to boys than they do to girls.
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And “pedophile” applies only to pre-adolescent children. The vast majority of cases in the past were not cases of pedophilia.
 
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The issue in the Catholic Church, as I am sure that you are aware, is that pedophiles tend to be opportunistic, and priests tend to have more access to boys than they do to girls.
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I worked with watchdog groups like NOTU in highschool and I can confirm this is the case. Pedophiles and Ephebophiles might have a couple of preferences for their target (as disgusting as that sounds), but typically aren’t too picky on the children they get to abuse. My experience doesn’t directly translate to the Catholic Church’s particular problems with abuse, but I imagine the concept still holds true.

Also just a general warning for this thread: I’d be careful about looking about looking for studies that correlate homosexuality with pedophilia. IIRC quite a few of those were designed to paint the gay community as something it is not. (Like the whole MAP movement.) I’d have to double-check those studies to verify though.
 
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I would agree with everything you say. Sadly, there is a pretty vocal movement within the Church which seems intent on blaming the whole sexual abuse crisis on gay and bisexual clergy. The fact is that sexual abuse is perpetrated by one group of people: sexual abusers. It’s worth reiterating a few points which seem to get forgotten:
  • Most sexual abuse is perpetrated by men against women and girls. However, we do not try to correlate sexual violence against women and girls with heterosexuality. We recognize that the vast majority of heterosexual men do not behave like this.
  • The vast majority of gay and bisexual men do not sexually abuse anyone.
The real problem was that the priesthood and the religious life attracted a large number of men for whom it provided opportunities to abuse children and vulnerable people of both sexes. Bishops and religious superiors failed to understand the nature and impact of their crimes and prioritized institutional self-interest over the interests of victims.
 
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Sadly, there is a pretty vocal movement within the Church which seems intent on blaming the whole sexual abuse crisis on gay and bisexual clergy. T
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Sadly, the facts do not justify your sorrow. The facts are that for 1,000 years the Catholic church did not allow homosexuals. into the clergy. Then came the liberals. Who allowed it. And that led to two findings that 80% of the abuse was done by homosexuals. These are the unpalatable facts.

Your statistics are sadly unthoughtful. Most sexual abuse is perpetrated by men?? Gee, really? Not by turtles? Homosexuals form 3=4% of the population across the world. Extrapolate from there please.

As for “most do not abuse”. I should hope not. But for pity’s sake, an 80z% abuse rate in the priesthood? And that the couple that Ruth Bader married were dragged in for abuse? This triggers no alarm in you at all? Explain why not.

Do you know what the world was like before Christianity and Christian morals took hold?
 
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Sadly, there is a pretty vocal movement within the Church which seems intent on blaming the whole sexual abuse crisis on gay and bisexual clergy. T
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Sadly, the facts do not justify your sorrow. The facts are that for 1,000 years the Catholic church did not allow homosexuals. into the clergy. Then came the liberals. Who allowed it. And that led to two findings that 80% of the abuse was done by homosexuals. These are the unpalatable facts.
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The John Jay Report (which I assume is what you’re referring to) classified the abusers as pedophiles, hebepophiles, and ephebophiles, the first of these being classified as a psychiatric disorder and the latter two being a sexual preference which shows significant overlap with pedophillia and are categorized as paraphilia (which is basically sexually deviant behavior). It’s explicitly mentioned that, although the sexual abuse of children in the Church was homosexual in action, this was due to the disorder or behavioral issues. You can see this happen in straight married men who have been known to sexually assault younger boys.
It’s the disorder, not the orientation. The priesthood provides ample access to children, of which predators are quick to take advantage of.
 
ou’re referring to) classified the abusers as pedophiles, hebepophiles, and ephebophiles, the first of these being classified as a psychiatric disorder and the

This is certainly the argument put forward by the homosexual lobby. It is wholly unconvincing, and completely at odds with the facts and with history and with what goes on around the world. Look, they are doing their best and fastest dance to distort, but pull yourself together and face the cold unpleasant facts. The problem with hiding from the facts is that truth really can’t be hidden.’

although the sexual abuse of children in the Church was homosexual in action, this was due to the disorder or behavioral issue

Homosexuals committed abuse. On teenagers. Very, very few abused children. It is inexcusable. It means we must prevent homosexuals from entering the clergyy
 
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Homosexuals committed abuse. On teenagers. Very, very few abused children. It is inexcusable. It means we must prevent homosexuals from entering the clergyy
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I think posts #5 and #6 answered this.

This is the abuse by priests, which is not the same as all abuse.

The abuse by priests apparently tends to involve male victims, arguably because of “access.”

But that doesn’t mean that homosexuals are more likely to abuse than heterosexuals just because of their orientation.
 
How does the church gather these statistics? How many clergy are SSA disoriented? And if that is a larger proportion than the general population, what does that imply about directives the church has already made? Policy and privacy concerns here, but weighing the primary importance of accountability and transparency to victims must be made, in a spirit of reparation, as a permanent change in administrative culture. There’s also a serious correlation/causation that doesn’t help anyone when it confuses the issue.
 
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You could say then that heterosexual men are prone to pedophilia of little girls if you add girls to the equation .
 
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