Lord's Prayer

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I’m wondering what the Church teaches about whether the Lord’s Prayer is an *outline *of how we should say a prayer or whether it is the particular prayer that is intended by Jesus. I know we say it as if it were the words that were intended, however I woke up wondering this this morning. I’m wondering about any Church teachings and also about thoughts from you.
 
I’m wondering what the Church teaches about whether the Lord’s Prayer is an *outline *of how we should say a prayer or whether it is the particular prayer that is intended by Jesus. I know we say it as if it were the words that were intended, however I woke up wondering this this morning. I’m wondering about any Church teachings and also about thoughts from you.
Take a look here:
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p4s2a1.htm
 
I believe it can be seen as both. Obviously the Church sees it as a prayer to be prayed regularly. But, also it can be used as an template for further meditative prayer. Some would argue that it was meant only as a framework for a prayer, but why attempt to alter the very beautiful words of Christ unless you are going to expand on them in greater meditation? When I want to hear great theatre I dont recreate King Lear or Hamlet , although some have tried and mostly failed. Instead I would rather watch the actors play the words of Shakespeare. Why recreate what THE Master gave us in the Our Father?
 
I believe it can be seen as both. Obviously the Church sees it as a prayer to be prayed regularly. But, also it can be used as an template for further meditative prayer. Some would argue that it was meant only as a framework for a prayer, but why attempt to alter the very beautiful words of Christ unless you are going to expand on them in greater meditation? When I want to hear great theatre I dont recreate King Lear or Hamlet , although some have tried and mostly failed. Instead I would rather watch the actors play the words of Shakespeare. Why recreate what THE Master gave us in the Our Father?
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I’m wondering what the Church teaches about whether the Lord’s Prayer is an *outline *of how we should say a prayer or whether it is the particular prayer that is intended by Jesus. I know we say it as if it were the words that were intended, however I woke up wondering this this morning. I’m wondering about any Church teachings and also about thoughts from you.
I see it as both.

It seems clear from the text that it is an example and a very real prayer that we should pray. If Jesus thought it the best example of prayer then that is good enough for me.

But it of course offers a great outline for our own prayers too. We can prayer however and whenever we want to. Formal prayers are a good way to help us along.
 
I believe it can be seen as both. Obviously the Church sees it as a prayer to be prayed regularly. But, also it can be used as an template for further meditative prayer. Some would argue that it was meant only as a framework for a prayer, but why attempt to alter the very beautiful words of Christ unless you are going to expand on them in greater meditation? When I want to hear great theatre I dont recreate King Lear or Hamlet , although some have tried and mostly failed. Instead I would rather watch the actors play the words of Shakespeare. Why recreate what THE Master gave us in the Our Father?
This is wonderful!! 👍

Regarding the portion I high-lighted, I am hoping what I am about to share will illustrate the point.

A few years ago, I was in a very difficult spot spiritually. I was trying to go to daily Mass, and I was finding myself increasingly annoyed at the behavior of some of my fellow church go-ers. One of the things I had become aware of was the way the ‘Our Father’ always seemed to be rushed, rote, and without meaning. It bothered me and I started to make the conscious effort to slow down.

Well a few days later, as I was praying it at Mass, it hit me, like a punch in the gut,
“forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us…”

"WHOA!!! :bigyikes: What did I just ask God??!! To forgive me as I forgive others?!! Do I REALLY want him to do that??!! " 😊

Needless to say, this revelation precipitated much meditative prayer, and my next appointment, with both my spiritual director and confessor, where both very interesting. :whacky:
 
Thank you for your answers. It sounds like you think that the Lord’s Prayer is both a prayer in itself and also an outline of how we should pray. Is this right? Then why does the Church seem to say that it is only a prayer in itself?
 
After this manner therefore pray ye…

The Church is right, because that is what Jesus said in Matthew 6:9. He did not say, ‘use this as a guide to model your prayers’. Martin Luther said that, and the protestants after him diluted even further saying, ‘its just a guide’, because they abhor anything that a Catholic does.
 
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