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ProVobis
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Do you think it’s more boredom or the loss of the mystery surrounding the Mass? Just asking for an opinion.
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wisdomseeker
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We can only do the work if we know what the work is. They are the Teachers of the Faith. they have failed the people. the people dont know unless someone teaches them. since the Council, they became silent about the Faith. took off their garments and people dont even know who they are. Tradition was drestroyed and those who knew the Faith were left in confusion and could not teach their children since the Faiht was no longer tought by their leaders. Please! we all know what what happened after the Council. Insted they have been told to go ahead and mingle with protestans. can you blame the people. the leaders sent the flock to protestantism faith. it all back fired on them.
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wisdomseeker
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And now we hear complaints from our fathers about synchretism, relativism. this is all borne because Catholics were send out to mingle with other religions wihtout instructions that intent was to convert others. instead Catholics filled the seats of protestants gatherings. Still I dont see our Fathers repentance for what they have done to the people. Only the holy father admitted their failiures.
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Marie5890
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It may be either of those, or something(s) entirely different.
People are hard-wired differently in how their attention is attained.
For me, the EF loses my focus. I find it distracting. I don’t say that critically, but I do say that as how it just doesnt hold my focus
I also found that the more progressive ways that the OF is done is just as distracting. I again cant focus…
The way that my parish priest prays it pulls me in and I feel like I am participating.
I would say that many in the sister parish that I mention before would find how my parish priest prays it as distracting. I have heard even some in our parish make comments about how they dont like that he chants. It grates on them. My understanding is that when he became the new pastor a few years back that a decent number of people switched parishes.
I think trying to boil it down to either being bored or a loss of the sense of mystery is really too simplistic an view.
There are reasons why the catholic church(and I use a little “c” for a reason) is so diverse in Her traditions, Her cultures.
People are very diverse. God created us that way. I think a “one size fits all” approach to the Mass is an afront to that very diversity that God Himself created.
JMO.
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Incomplete
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Maybe different styles, but certainly not different teachings.
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Don5925
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I have not posted here in a while but this thread really ‘tripped my trigger.’ With all of the Catholic universities in this country and others, there should be clear and scholarly answers to the question. To me, it more important to understand why someone leaves the church, and know it with some scholarly certainty and not through supposition.
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MontChevalier
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TWO HUNDRED PEOPLE?! Good Lord!
In my RCIA class, there are only two. Just myself and some random guy.From what I can say is this, due to the political problems in Latin America, and the priest’s lack of education concerning the Church, and the teachings(What I mean with is the way it’s doing that) of the Church, many can see the garbage they’re getting and they’re not impressed. I know this because I’ve spoken to many in Central and South America and they’ve voiced their concerns to me. The Church needs better educated priests, otherwise, the position of the Catholic Church in those places is going to suffer.
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ProVobis
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FWIW, over 40% of those attending U.S. “Catholic” universities in the first year are non-Catholic.
schoolsintheusa.com/AboutCatholicCollegesandUniversities.cfm
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Don5925
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No argument on the percentages from me. Nonetheless, we have plenty of faithful religious on staff at various universities that could give some sound analysis as to why folks leave. Then we might have a chance at finding docternally sound socially on point solutions.
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JimmytheButcher
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Most of them are not being lost to Protestant denominations.
Like a hiss out of hell, most of them are being lost to Christ-deniers, particularly sabbitarian and self-worship cults.
The denial of Christ is the result of persecuting His Mother Mary. Where there is no Mary there is no Eucharist.
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SurlyMermaid
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Agreed.People are very diverse. God created us that way. I think a “one size fits all” approach to the Mass is an afront to that very diversity that God Himself created.
JMO.
And certainly style, not teachings.
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ProVobis
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But diversity also can be the reason why we have over 20,000 Protestant denominations.
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Marie5890
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Dont have to even look at that to see just how much diversity exists.
Just look within the Church. All of her various rites, customs and traditions.
Look at the nature. The universe
It speaks clearly to God is the Creator of diversity. That can’t be denied. All of creation proves that.
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ProVobis
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So what has led us to social entropy, the Tower of Babel, and wars? Shouldn’t we be looking for commonness rather than emphasizing our differences?
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Marie5890
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No not necessarily. We should be looking at both.
To me, it’s not either/ or…
Because we have commonness even within our differences…the reality that there are different rites illuminates that reality as well…
Even the holy angels, with all of their commonness, are diverse in their nature and creation.
God didnt create just one type of angel.
God created both commonness and differences. They both should be embraced.
ANd the very thought we are having this kind of discussion demonstrates, again, at least to me, that we as humans, are hard-wired differently.
God created us each different for a reason known to Him.
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ConstantineTG
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Don’t forget that from the early age of the Church, there has always been different traditions around the Church. To this day there are 6 different ritual traditions (Latin, Byzantine, West Syriac, East Syriac, Alexandrian, Armenian) that proves that diversity is indeed a true Apostolic Tradition.
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ConstantineTG
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Pentecost has proven that commonness is the faith, not language or culture, which are all human-based anyway.
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ProVobis
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That same faith, however, is expressed differently in language and culture unfortunately. And lex orandi, lex credendi and nothing becomes common and we become distant from the Church in China and elsewhere.
I think we’ve already discussed this point ad nauseam.
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Marie5890
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Well said!
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