Lost Catholic Faith

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I think that was Lioness1 not Brettbat.
 
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“Dlee said:
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I an leaving the Catholic faith, and returning to Orthodoxy if there is a decent orthodox church within reasonable traveling distance, OR I will find a good protestant church and worship there.
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Lioness1 posted quite extensively on another thread that she does not accept the RCC’s teaching on divorce/remarriage requiring one to go through the annulment process. (not her situation, but that of a young lady she was advising who was considering RCC)
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Why did you respond to me with this?
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well, I don’t know! it was supposed to go to Lioness1. I’ll try to fix it. Sorry 🙂
 
Thom18 said:
In order to lose something, I think you need to have it first.
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So true, but then there are the soils in parable of sower and seed, so indeed one can have some aspect of catholic upbringing both to retain and turn away from.

From the x catholics i talk to (half my church), they would agree that they did not lose anything, save being “religious”. However, they definitely never , never lose some of the seeds they were taught in CC. The idea that there is an omniscient , omnipresent Triune God and a spiritual world (saints and angel), and of sin, and judgement to come, of the sacrifice of Calvary of eternal life either in hell, purgatory, or heaven are not lost !
By grace God quickens these things back to any searching prodigal Catholic… the searching even by grace, for most did not search but God chased them down. The triggering search is usually due to the body of Christ reaching with the Word thru a teacher, preacher or friend witness. Something in their message, using those foundational seeds…Catholic seeds) triggers new life, and they are born again. They would say they were like Nicodemus, raised and experienced in religion, but without genuineness that new birth and a encounter with a finally saving Christ, by faith and grace, gives.

They would say that their infant baptism was not effectual to new birth, and consequently trying to live a Christian life without new birth proved fruitless and frustrating, and not a match for worldly pleasures for some who fall away (others remaining religious but empty deep down).
Thom18 said:
I think poor catechesis may just be the #1 reason people leave the faith.
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They would say they were well catechized(remember all those deep seeds ?). Some were altar boys, went to Catholic schools, one was even a nun.

This same thing, being religious without a new birth, can happen in any church. Some Catholics I believe go thru same experience, but as an adult they experience Christ or the Holy Ghost like never before and indeed are quite changed (though they can not call it regeneration or new birth (due to church doctrine on infant baptism), save having a “deep encounter” with Christ)
 
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I can’t say I ever lost the catholic faith because I’ve never fully had it, I mean I’ve studied it and even pondered conversion, but the adherents and their attitudes, and the scandals / cover ups going on, and mass burial graves of infants / children’s found has turned me way off.
 
Generally the well-catechised do not leave the Church because they know to answer the questions that can lead them away from the a Church. The majority who left were indeed the poorly catechised. We can see many ex-Catholics who attack Catholicism on issues they wrongly thought were Catholic teachings and belief.

As for sins and scandals that you seen among Catholics, yes, indeed they are, but these are human failure. There is a saying that the Church is a hospital for the sick. It is full of sinners. Many have repented but there are few who have struggled with their sins, wrong-doings and weaknesses. These unfortunately happened, as there are sins and crimes outside of religions.

God bless.
 
No other Christian denomination has had such a massive cover up on a grand scale as the RCC though.
 
The Church is larger and older than most deminations by around a 1500 years.
 
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Shakuhachi said:
I guess I just do not need to have such an exclusive view of it.
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Jesus had an exclusive view of it.

Jesus established a single Church. “I will build my Church” singular.

He didn’t select 12 apostles to creates 12 different denominations for example
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God is capable of using someone outside of His Church. But Jesus willed perfect unity with His apostles with Peter as head. That’s what He wants for all time

“I will build my Church” singular. Mt 16

If one won’t listen even to His Church that He builds on Peter, then treat them like an outsider Mt 18

Division is against charity/love of Jesus who condemns division iow, all must be in union with Peter and his successors since the Church Jesus builds on Peter, also said, it will be here for all time .
 
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S0laScriptura said:
Not me personally, but I have family that have left due to the scandals.
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Not to excuse in any way shape or form, the scandals and the damage they caused. There is no excuse. Truth is, the Church has NEVER been without “scandal” and “sin”. The apostles weren’t perfect. Fast forward in history from them. And to be fair , look at all the non Catholics and THEIR scandals.

I only say this, so that none of US, discounts mortal sin, that WE commit in this life and the damage those sins have caused others. That’s what makes and made those sins mortal in the first place. They are huge offenses against God and neighbor
 
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Oh we’re pretty celibate as many married couples are. But what you offer is a short term solution to a long term problem.

Incongruous, in a word.
 
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