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Filius99993
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As is everyone else. We are all called to chastity. And it’s so commonly ignored in our culture… it’s awful.
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Methodi
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I read some where, that the Catholic Church was always deeply rooted in Homosexually.I Love My Church but enough of it sure went on . I am only saying what is, not what should be
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rinnie
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Yes but thank God that he has mercy on us, and left us the Church and confession. All we have to do is repent, turn away from our sin and we are forgiven.
Just like people living together as man and wife and not being married, the church is there to help them. All they have to do is confess, repent, get married and turn away from their sin. Father told me he is here not to condem People, he is here to show them their sin, try to get them to turn away from the sin, and get them on the right track back to God.
Thank God for the Catholic Church, they dont turn away sinners they try to have sinners turn away from their sin. Thats whats it all about. Not what we have done, its what we can do to repent and sin no more. If the Church was only for the good there would be no members.
My Dad went to Church every single Sunday, and usually served it 5 times a week. The neighbor used to laugh at him, and tell him he does not go to Church. Church is for sinners, my Dad said then I better get going, I dont want to be late.
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rinnie
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You know something IMO you are a disgrace to the Faith, Let me tell you why. Did you ever see it, with your own eyes. You read it somewhere. Is that enough for you. Let me tell you what our Lord said WHOEVER HAS NO SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE. I saw no stone throwing. The RCC does not say man and man can be together as man and wife, or vice-versa. Let God be the judge of others. I have never seen it in my Church ever. If it existed let God be the Judge. But right is right and wrong is wrong. The Church says no. That is all we need to concern ourself with. I dont think we need to judge others, Im not saying everything that happened in the Church was perfect, But I believe in my Church and its teachings. Not mans sins, I dont judge the Catholic Church and its teachings on the sins of Men.
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Methodi
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You are right, just keep giving the Church money
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Methodi
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I Love my Church & I even pray for all priest who were involved in the sex scandal because besides that somewhere along the way they had do do some good. I was hit on by a Catholic priest myself, but I dont condemn him I still pray for him & where ever he is dead or alive I pray for him & wouldnt want to know for one minute that he was in hell & Yes I have heard stories to real true stories, The Church is made up of fallable men who are capable of sin, there is nothing wrong with saying what is true. all men are weak God knows that, Thats why he sent Jesus, read up on Catholic history Maybe You will see the same thing I readYou are like these parents who say , not my kid!
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Methodi
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Besides, No one knows whats between a man & God, so dont tell me i am a disgrace to my faith
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I think everyone realizes the Church has made mistakes and we are all sinners. But Jesus hasn’t made any mistakes and He is without sin. Jesus instituted the sacrament of marriage between a man and a women everything else is wrong.
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CentralFLJames
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I think you are either reading anti-catholic materials or are playing right into the homosexual propaganda and hyperbola that extrapolates a statistically few cases to present more than really is.
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Methodi
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Well I think your wrong, we all have had different experiences , have we not.I have seen many things that maybe You havn`t & vice versa.You tell me that there wasnt Homosexuality in the Church, the scandal rocked the world I am not condemning, I still attend catholic Church & always will, but there are many who have left the Church because of the scandal. I am Not out to destroy My Church, It is the most precious thing I have. I do Not read non Catholic Literature, even my weekly cathiolic newspaper prints negative things that sometime happen in the Church, Man is weak, The Church is made up of man
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Voco_proTatiano
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Only those with an ax(e) to grind call civil partnerships ‘marriages’.
Not quite,
It is entirely how you react to them which might make it sinful.
Consider Alcoholics Anonimous, They form associations of like afflicted people, devoted to managing the affliction.
NOTE, ‘managing’, not curing. The affliction, like SSA, is not curable.
If the civil partnership has the purpose of managing the affliction, then it is only sinful, when that management involves carnal sin.
If you are talking about carnal sins, then ok, but a peck on the cheek, or a hug, which might offend a queer basher, are not sinful.
You are identifying same-sex-partners with partners involved in carnal sin. This identity cannot be assumed, indeed, the presumption of innocence requires that we presume the partnerships to be Platonic.
This is how the RCC accepts the partnership of Cardinal John Henry Newman with Father St, John.
Exactly. Platonic = chaste.
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rinnie
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Please don’t judge me about how I raised my kids, IF my kids ran with kids that did drugs I got them away, and fast, I said if they were not doing them, and they ran with ones that did they would soon, Im not stupid, and Im not blind. And I am not saying that we do, and did not have bad Priests. God warned us that they would be in his clothing. But to say things about a Priest you better be sure. And to say you were HIT in by a Priest, well thats a matter of opinion. All I hear is your side, I know people that like to make something out of nothing also.
But if this Priest did what you said he was a bad Priest and it was your duty to turn him in, Why would you even let someone like that run loose if you are so sure. Because if what you say is true what about the next person. This is what I am talking about, honestly I dont believe a word you are saying. But here is the fact he should have been turned into the Bishop and investigated if this were true. And if he were a bad Priest thrown out of the Church.
This gossip is what is a sin, To say this about a Priest is worse then going silently to the person in charge and saying he either needs help, or get rid of him. If he was a bad Priest he should have been thrown out of the Priesthood, Thats how I feel, but to just take your word, No, I will not and cannot do that, I will give him the benefit of doubt. IMO if a Priest was no good and I turned him in God would forgive me for that. But to stand back and know for sure and do nothing and let hi hurt others, and then gossip about him, I think GOd would really have a problem with that. So I am not blind, but in the same token I have seen Good very Good Priests walking on eggs shells for the bad ones and its not fair.
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rinnie
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I totally agree with you, But its gossip and lies that people make up along the way that burn me. I thank God I did not have to carry this cross. And I am sure God had his reasons for this cross to be carried. But this is a perfect example of how you do not have to give into sin. But why people must dwell on it I will never know. No honestly we both know, to bring scandal and shame on the Church. To me this would not be considered what Homosexuality is today, Today it is not Platonic, Chaste, its acting out on it, and saying it is right. Telling us we are wrong to judge, saying they should and can get married. Saying that God understands this, and agrees with this. Thats the difference. Going to bars and seeing them hugging, kissing, showing society this is the way it is. Thats whats wrong. They want to live as man and wife, and before did it in private, now what it in the open and its wrong. It wrong in private and in the open right is right and wrong is wrong.
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The Catechism acutally says it is wrong to be hateful or hurtful to people because of their homsoexuality. This is because people sometimes can’t help having those feelings. Like a lot of things, the Catholic position is between two polar extremes. On the one hand there is the attitude of approving homosexual acts. We don’t agree with this. On the other hand there is the attitude of hating or wanting to harm, physically or emotionally, gay people. We don’t agree with this either.
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2358: The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard must be avoided. These persons are called to fullfil God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
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CentralFLJames
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You are thinking in binary terms. The church members and clergy are not impeccable. All are sinners. I never claimed that there were not some abuses and I am sure that even after the rigorous new policies put in place to protect against predators and deviants I am certain that there are still some practising homosexuals who have not yet been weeded out. Such will eventually be found and removed or will go to the grave and God will burn them for eternity for the slander and harm they do to His Church.
But if you get a sober grip on the real numbers you will find that there are much LESS abuses in the Catholic Church than exist in non-Catholic organization - both secular and religious. While a single abuse or deviancy is one too many it is not realistic to imagine that The Church is perfect. We are talking less than a few percent out of over 1 Billion World Wide - that is WAY below the societal averages for deviants, perverts, molesters etc. So only a “chicken little” or an anti-Catholic would take the few cases we have had relative to the society norm and extrapolate that into the general opinion or observation that “the church has always advocated homosexuals” as you have done. That kind of mindset is not consistent with a person who says “I love my church”. No, that’s a perverted or queer sort of love. Sorry guy I am not buying a word of it.
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CentralFLJames
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Agree with the implication and admission here that SSA is a disorder not unlike a disease. I also agree that a concept of moral triage or using fire to fight fire (sin to fight sin) is morally bankrupt and as gravely disordered as the principal disorder. NEVER is it permitted to sin in a lessor degree to contain a larger sin. There are quite a few nuns in developing 3rd countries who are working themselves into hell by rationalizing that its OK to hand out condoms to impoverished people just so they don’t contract AIDS when they have homosexual and out of marriage sex.
But I disagree completely with your private opinion that SSA is not curable. There is no conclusive scientific evidence that indicates what you say is true. It is just as valid to say that SSA is a mental or mental-spiritual disorder since it relates to the Id. If one is truly Christ centered one can cooperate with His grace completely remake oneself in the image of Christ - that’s a perfect identity devoid of any ambiguous sexuality. A person perfected in Christ sees his fellow creatures not as gender objects but as living spiritual children of God that are here to serve God and fellow humans - not as objects of personal possession or selfish intimate desire.
I as a healthy normal male can admire and see the image of God in both man and woman and be attracted to both at that objective level without attaching any sexual overtones to it at all. In other words SSA need not be on a sexual level - the assumption of sexual connotation in SSA is proof that all of society is disordered and focused on self pleasure. So an objective, non-sexual SSA is perfectly Christian. It is only disordered when the focus becomes sexual rather than objectively relational - for either sex.
BTW - there have been MANY cases of people who “called” themselves homosexuals or allegedly had SSA who completely transformed themselves into pure hetero and are living healthy lives. It has been my observation that there are MANY confused males and females who lack self respect and self dignity (low self esteem) who out of loneliness exchange their bodies for any kind of friendship or support they can get. Eventually it becomes “normal” for them but they become blind to the fact that the affection they imagine they are getting is nothing short of selfish abuse or shared mutual abuse. There is a strong link to aggression, abuse, and domination in homosexual relationships - and this just proves again the root problem is grave sin.
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Methodi
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He hit on me when I was an adult, I was not a child., if it was a child involved then its a whole different thing. As far as attacking your children U missed the point, , i was using that as an example to explain how when a parents child is called down for something, we always have these parents who say Not my kid, U never heard of that well I did & also If U care to know I was involved with the gay community for a while & I saw plenty not only priests but a lot of protestant ministers. Man is not perfect he never will be Thats why God sent us a redeemer . I am not a liar & I dont care what U believe or dont believe about what I say
You sound like a know it all, head buried in the sand. The reason I say not my kid is because its like U saying not my Church, dont U read the news papers etc
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Homosexuality isn’t a choice. It’s a matter of genetic disposition. Therefore…yes – it’s biggotted to ‘dislike’ gays. That’s analgous to saying, “I don’t like people with dark skin.” It’s morally acceptable to dislike homosexual acts, however, in light of their disordered and dangerous nature and effects.I am watching CNN and basketball player Tim Hardaway made some anti-gay comments about the a gay player. Now, I don’t think his comments were wise. He basically said, “Yes, I am homophobic. I don’t like gays” to an accusation of bigotry.
I don’t think the way he responded was loving, but I am amazed by how it seems univerally accepted that homosexuality is normal, and anyone who suggests otherwise is a bigotted fool.
After the intreview, a panel of sports commentors got together to condemn him. One said, it doesn’t make sense to him that that a black man would want to exclude someone. I guess they are now the same thing.
Anyway, all of this is concerning me. Nations are passing laws that restrict what people can say about homosexuality, catholic charities are being forced to accept gay adoption, and the majority of catholics I know are in favor of gay marriage.
Have we lost the culture war? What are we to do?
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Methodi
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Thank You , somebody that makes sense here
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CentralFLJames
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Lack of chastity is always a personal choice.
You are offering personal opinion as fact.
Homosexual practices are clearly disorderd and against nature.
Homosexual sexual acts are clearly unnatural. Only a person who lacks self esteem, self respect and lacks self control would engage in homosexual intercourse.
You are trying to declare homosexuality a birth right. If you open that door then you might as well also say that every other deviant behavior known to man is a predisposition of birth - e.g. aggression and spouse abuse, child molestation, violence, domination, sado-masochism and every imaginable fetish there is.
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