LOTH: Holy Name of Mary

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Still 4 days off, but I thought I might as well put in on now.

Proper of Saints, September 12: Holy Name of Mary

Please note that the English is only to aid in the understanding of the Latin- it is not official - only the Latin is.

I don’t think there is an official English translation yet save for the Marianist or other individual Propers.
 
Someone pm-ed me to ask, so LOTH stands for the Liturgy of the Hours. The file contains the second reading and responsory if you’re using the 4 volume “Liturgy of the Hours” or 3 volume “Divine Office”. There is also a Proper Closing Prayer if you’re using the Christian Prayer, Shorter Christian Prayer, Daily Prayer or *Morning and Evening Prayer *books
 
Haven’t checked yet, but isn’t this memorial already in the Supplement?
I didn’t think so (and partly because the only supplements I’ve seen aren’t even up to the year 2000), but if it is, could you please let me know?
 
I didn’t think so (and partly because the only supplements I’ve seen aren’t even up to the year 2000), but if it is, could you please let me know?
Just checked, but it is not in the US Supplement. The Philippine Supplement lists it but directs us only to the Common.
 
I didn’t think so (and partly because the only supplements I’ve seen aren’t even up to the year 2000), but if it is, could you please let me know?
My Supplement is dated 1992, and I haven’t found a more current one. The publisher’s website doesn’t even list the date of the one they offer. (Are they embarrassed?) If you know of a more current (American) one, please let me know where to get it.
 
I just finished EP for today (9/12), using the CBPC edition of Christian Prayer. The St. Joseph’s guide says:
EP (1378) 892
Correct me if I’m wrong (the very purpose of my post) but the entire office is all there for EP for the Common of BVM except the concluding prayer, which is taken from one of the concluding prayers from MP for BVM.
SO…
What’s the point of the St. Joseph’s guide listing 892 (Wed Wk III Psalter, EP)?
I’m betting someone’s gonna give me a “duh!” moment? :confused:
 
I just finished EP for today (9/12), using the CBPC edition of Christian Prayer. The St. Joseph’s guide says:
EP (1378) 892
Correct me if I’m wrong (the very purpose of my post) but the entire office is all there for EP for the Common of BVM except the concluding prayer, which is taken from one of the concluding prayers from MP for BVM.
SO…
What’s the point of the St. Joseph’s guide listing 892 (Wed Wk III Psalter, EP)?
I’m betting someone’s gonna give me a “duh!” moment? :confused:
I use the 4-volume LOTH, so the page numbers don’t match yours from Christian Prayer, but I think this addresses the question you are asking:

There are different levels of solemnity for the days we observe in the liturgical year: Solemnities, Feasts, and Memorials (in descending order). Holy Name of Mary is, I believe, an Optional Memorial. For Memorials and Optional Memorials, the psalms for the weekday (e.g., Wednesday of Week III) are used, while some of the other parts (hymns, readings, antiphons for the Benedictus and Magnificat, etc.) come from the Proper or Common (e.g., Common of the BVM).

The psalms in the Common of the BVM would be used for a Feast or Solemnity of the BVM (if there are none in the Proper for that day), but not for a Memorial.
 
I use the 4-volume LOTH, so the page numbers don’t match yours from Christian Prayer, but I think this addresses the question you are asking:

The psalms in the Common of the BVM would be used for a Feast or Solemnity of the BVM (if there are none in the Proper for that day), but not for a Memorial.
:doh2:
I knew it would be simple like that. When I read what you wrote I recalled reading it in my Dodos book. I’m a month or so into the LOTH (and I love love love it. It’s been nearly transformational) and still getting into the groove. What you said is a huge help. You’re super-cool. :bowdown2:

BTW, now that I have the ear (eyes) of a 4 volume user, have you used Christian Prayer before? If so, then may I ask - if the MP and EP are identical, then is it true the 4 volume has a fuller Day prayer + OOR, and there’s the difference? If this is correct, going from one to 4 volumes, man, that’s a heckuva lot of OOR and day prayer. Or am I missing something?
 
BTW, now that I have the ear (eyes) of a 4 volume user, have you used Christian Prayer before? If so, then may I ask - if the MP and EP are identical, then is it true the 4 volume has a fuller Day prayer + OOR, and there’s the difference? If this is correct, going from one to 4 volumes, man, that’s a heckuva lot of OOR and day prayer. Or am I missing something?
Each of the four volumes covers a season of the liturgical year: Advent/Christmas (I), Lent/Easter (II), first half of Ordinary Time (III), and second half of Ordinary Time (IV). That way you only have to carry around one book at a time for the entire season.

That being said, it is thus necessary for certain parts (e.g., the Four-Week Psalter, Night Prayer, other parts commonly used throughout the year) to be repeated in each of the four volumes. So the 4-volume does not really have four times as much “new material”; there is a significant amount of overlap.

The main difference, though, is in the Office of Readings. Christian Prayer has a small sampling of readings. 4-volume LOTH has unique First and Second Readings for every day of the year. The First Reading is a longer reading from Scripture. During Advent/Christmas/Lent/Easter, they are seasonally appropriate and come from various books of the Bible. During Ordinary Time, they systematically cover most books of the Bible over a period of time, not exhaustively, but hitting all the high points (for example, several days of last week covered the Book of Jeremiah). Along with daily Mass readings, this is my major diet of Scripture each day. The Second Reading has a substantial reading each day, either from one of the Church Fathers, or from/about the saint whose feast is celebrated that day, or from a Church document (e.g., one of the documents of Vatican II). I find these incredibly enriching for knowledge of the faith and as a starting point for meditation. Office of Readings is my favorite part of LOTH, and I would not want to give up the 4-volume for that reason alone.

I’m not sure about the Daytime Prayer part; I don’t remember how much of that is in Christian Prayer. In the 4-volume, there are three “hours” of Daytime Prayer for each day (Midmorning, Midday, and Midafternoon), so if that is not included in Christian Prayer it would add a considerable amount to the Four-Week Psalter.

You can buy the volumes one at a time (sometimes used online) if it is too expensive to do all at once. Or you may want to borrow a friend’s for a half hour for a few days to see whether you like it before you make the investment.

I hope this made sense!
 
I hope this made sense!
It all makes perfect sense. Thank you VERY much.

Not meaning to be the kid who won’t stop tugging on your shirt…
This morning is the obligatory memorial of St. John Chrysostom. I got a “quick” (ha!) question on it.

Again, the guide cites the Thu. Psalter in addition to the memorial. However, based on how I prayed it, I never went to the Psalter. Everything was either in the C.of Pastors, Sun. Wk1, and the concluding prayer from C. of Saints.

What did I do wrong?
 
Hi ddeluna,
You can check out a LOTH related thread here, which has a lot of questions and answers, on how to pray. And maybe ask any doubts if you don’t find an answer.
 
Hi ddeluna,
You can check out a LOTH related thread here, which has a lot of questions and answers, on how to pray. And maybe ask any doubts if you don’t find an answer.
Thanks for that. I’m moving the question to that thread now.
 
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