LOTH Invitory question

[codefro]

I had a question about using my breviary.

I know that the invitory is to be used during the first prayer said of the day. I understand that the introductory is different and is followed by Ps 95, Ps 100, Ps 67, or Ps 24 may be used as circumstances may suggest. The invitory in my breviary includes antiphons. So for example, if I am praying morning prayer at the beginning of the day, instead of using the designated antiphons during the morning prayer, I must use the invitory’s antiphons for that morning prayer? Is that how it works? Is that also the standard rule? Do any special church holidays change the rules of using the invitory during the first prayer of the day?

 

[TimothyH]

What breviary do you use?

I use the most current version of Christian Prayer. It has an antiphon for each day which is exclusive to the invitatory, and then seperate antiphons to go with the psalmody in morning, evening, daily and night prayers.

Christian Prayer only has one antiphon for the invitatory for each day.

Maybe you are using something different? I don’t know why there would be multiple antiphons for the invitatory, unless I am misunderstanding something.

-Tim-

 

[codefro]

I use the Liturgy of the Hours

Catholic Book Publishing

 

[codefro]

Any LOTH users out there who are familiar with it?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Any LOTH users out there who are familiar with it?

I am. I don’t understand your question, though

 

[codefro]

Do you have the 4 vol. set of LOTH?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I had a question about using my breviary.

I know that the invitory is to be used during the first prayer said of the day. I understand that the introductory is different and is followed by Ps 95, Ps 100, Ps 67, or Ps 24 may be used as circumstances may suggest. The invitory in my breviary includes antiphons. So for example, if I am praying morning prayer at the beginning of the day, instead of using the designated antiphons during the morning prayer, I must use the invitory’s antiphons for that morning prayer? Is that how it works? Is that also the standard rule? Do any special church holidays change the rules of using the invitory during the first prayer of the day?

Not sure what you’re asking but the antiphon for the invitatory, is the one for that day.

Go here, divineoffice.org/ you may find what you’re looking for.

 

[codefro]

Not sure what you’re asking but the antiphon for the invitatory, is the one for that day.

Go here, divineoffice.org/ you may find what you’re looking for.

I’ve already sought that site and it doesn’t explain the answer to my question.

In the Invitory, there is the intro, psalm, and 5 antiphons. My question is, what are those antiphons for?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Do you have the 4 vol. set of LOTH?

Yes. And I have the current volume here at work with me.

Ask away.

 

[codefro]

Yes. And I have the current volume here at work with me.

Ask away.

Read what I posted just before your last post.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I’ve already sought that site and it doesn’t explain the answer to my question.

In the Invitory, there is the intro, psalm, and 5 antiphons. My question is, what are those antiphons for?

First you say the opening prayer, “Lord Open My Lips…”

Then antiphon for the day is said at the beginning of the Psalm. Some groups will repeat it at the end of the Psalm, but we Discalced Carmelites do not.

In between each verse of the psalm, they have the word “Ant” or “Antiphon.” This is for those singing the Psalm as a group, they will repeat the Antiphon as the Chorus version of the sung prayer. It’s not necessary for those praying the Psalm individually to repeat the antiphon here.

Keep in mind that the LOTH, was written for groups to pray together, and individuals praying alone, have to adjust accordingly.

Jim

 

[codefro]

First you say the opening prayer, “Lord Open My Lips…”

Then antiphon for the day is said at the beginning of the Psalm. Some groups will repeat it at the end of the Psalm, but we Discalced Carmelites do not.

In between each verse of the psalm, they have the word “Ant” or “Antiphon.” This is for those singing the Psalm as a group, they will repeat the Antiphon as the Chorus version of the sung prayer. It’s not necessary for those praying the Psalm individually to repeat the antiphon here.

Keep in mind that the LOTH, was written for groups to pray together, and individuals praying alone, have to adjust accordingly.

Jim

Ok and my question is do those inv. antiphons replace the standard morning prayer antiphons if morning prayer is the first prayer prayed?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Ok and my question is do those inv. antiphons replace the standard morning prayer antiphons if morning prayer is the first prayer prayed?

Generally, they’re the antiphons for the day repeated.

Jim

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I don’t think that I am understanding you, but here goes

I always use Psalm 100. (This is not the same translation as in the LotH, but it was the one I could find quickly). So for tomorrow (I picked tomorrow because it was not a feast day)

The Invitatory Antiphon (pg 916) is Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy, so

you begin by making a small sign of the cross on your lips while saying

Lord open my lips, and my mouth will proclaim your praise.

Antiphon Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy

Read silently the “preface” words The Joyful song of those, etc

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

Shout joyfully to the LORD, all you lands;

serve the LORD with gladness;

come before him with joyful song.

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

Know that the LORD is God,

he made us, we belong to him,

we are his people, the flock he shepherds.

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

Enter his gates with thanksgiving,

his courts with praise.

Give thanks to him, bless his name.

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

good indeed is the LORD,

His mercy endures forever,

his faithfulness lasts through every generation.

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

Glory be, etc

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

I hope this is what you are asking

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Ok and my question is do those inv. antiphons replace the standard morning prayer antiphons if morning prayer is the first prayer prayed?

The antiphon for the day is what is used.

Jim

 

[codefro]

Generally, they’re the antiphons for the day repeated.

Jim

so there is almost no point in them being printed in the invitory section?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Ok and my question is do those inv. antiphons replace the standard morning prayer antiphons if morning prayer is the first prayer prayed?

No.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I don’t think that I am understanding you, but here goes

I always use Psalm 100. (This is not the same translation as in the LotH, but it was the one I could find quickly). So for tomorrow (I picked tomorrow because it was not a feast day)

The Invitatory Antiphon (pg 916) is Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy, so

you begin by making a small sign of the cross on your lips while saying

Lord open my lips, and my mouth will proclaim your praise.

Antiphon Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy

Read silently the “preface” words The Joyful song of those, etc

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

Shout joyfully to the LORD, all you lands;

serve the LORD with gladness;

come before him with joyful song.

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

Know that the LORD is God,

he made us, we belong to him,

we are his people, the flock he shepherds.

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

Enter his gates with thanksgiving,

his courts with praise.

Give thanks to him, bless his name.

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

good indeed is the LORD,

His mercy endures forever,

his faithfulness lasts through every generation.

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

Glory be, etc

Repeat antiphon (Come into the Lord’s presence singing for joy)

I hope this is what you are asking

That’s how it would be done within a group if you were singing the Psalm.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

so there is almost no point in them being printed in the invitory section?

It’s for groups that sing the Invitatory.

Divineoffice.org, has an audio of how it’s done, but keep in mind, they are singing it, which is not necessary when prayed individually.

Jim

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

so there is almost no point in them being printed in the invitory section?

There is a point, if you begin with the Invitatory

Third orders/oblates always begin with the Invitatory, if Lauds is the first office you pray, ie, you really should begin with the Invitatory, unless your first daily office isn’t Lauds (ie, you begin with Matins or another “night office”). Very few lay persons do not begin with Lauds, so for all practical purposes, you should begin with the Invitatory Psalm. You may choose 100, 67, 95 or 24.