LOTH Question

[salvereginadude]

In the LOTH when alleluia is in parenthesees, does this mean that it is only meant to be said during the Easter season? Or just during times outside of Lent? Because I’ve seen the alleluia during several of the antiphons, and right now we’re in Ordinary Time. Can alleluia be said now, I know in the Mass it can, but I was a little confused about the LOTH.

 

[AJV]

Are you speaking of the *alleluia *that cames after some of the antiphons in the Commons? Or the *Alleluia *for the opening versicles?

 

[porthos11]

You should now be using Volume III of the LOTH unless you’re using Christian Prayer.

Outside of Lent, after the opening versicle “God come to my assistance…”, Alleluia is always said.

For antiphons, alleluia isn’t said unless explicitly indicated, as is often the case with solemnities. If you see (Alleluia) then it’s not said. If you’re using Volume III, (Alleluia) normally doesn’t appear, so the rule here is when you see it, say it.

 

[Psalm45_9]

At the beginning of the office when you say God come to my assistance, you will say the alleluia, except during Lent. For other places, such as antiphons, say the alleluia only during paschaltide.

 

[Seminarian_Matt]

When you start the Divine Office, you will say “O God come to my assistance…” You will say the alleluia after the Glory Be (in the Glory be we make a profound bow), except during Lent. In the antiphons of the pslams, canticles, etc. you will say the alleluia only during paschaltide and on Sundays.

 

[Cavaille-Coll]

When you start the Divine Office, you will say “O God come to my assistance…” You will say the alleluia after the Glory Be (in the Glory be we make a profound bow), except during Lent. In the antiphons of the pslams, canticles, etc. you will say the alleluia only during paschaltide and on Sundays.

Matt, when you pray the Hours in common in your seminary, do you say the traditional Gloria Patri (“is now and ever shall be, world without end”) or the new one shown in the breviary (“is now and will be forever”)? Our seminary prays the latter, but most instructors begin each class with the traditional version, which most of us use when praying privately.

 

[Seminarian_Matt]

Matt, when you pray the Hours in common in your seminary, do you say the traditional Gloria Patri (“is now and ever shall be, world without end”) or the new one shown in the breviary (“is now and will be forever”)? Our seminary prays the latter, but most instructors begin each class with the traditional version, which most of us use when praying privately.

When we pray in common we pray “is now and will be forever”. However, when I pray on my own like during the summer I just say the Gloria Patri in Latin. Latin is the best

 

[japhy]

When we pray in common we pray “is now and will be forever”. However, when I pray on my own like during the summer I just say the Gloria Patri in Latin. Latin is the best

I agree. After Monday evening Mass and Adoration at my parish, we close with Night Prayer (in English). It’s the same translation as found in Christian Prayer. So I say “Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and will be forever, amen.”

But when I pray the LOTH in private, I say parts of it in Latin – the parts I know, which includes Gloria Patri… – I don’t have to worry about what translation to use. I personally don’t understand how “saecula saeculorum” becomes “world without end”; to me, it seems to mean “age of ages” or something to that effect, which implies “eternally; forever”.

 

[Seminarian_Matt]

You are correct: “saecula saeculorum” is better translated to “unto the ages of ages”.

 

[japhy]

You are correct: “saecula saeculorum” is better translated to “unto the ages of ages”.

I think that dawned on me the one time I visited a nearby EO church to attend a Divine Liturgy. (I haven’t gotten around to attending an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy yet…) They say “now and forever and to the ages of ages”.