Lotsa' Gay talk goin' around

[contemplative]

goofyjim:

So does this mean you see me as a potential pedophile or something else along that line? Remember I have no desire for sex only the gender attraction.

No
It means that I believe the discernment process for seminarians will continue to be on individual basis. Blankets can be lifted in places. Think about it. Blankets work the same today as they did yesterday and the day before that.

 

[otm]

contemplative:

Overt is better than concealed :ehh: ?

Yes, I think so. It is difficult to make any headway with someone who is mad at you and won’t speak.

I do not presume that all who go back on that trip will come home singing the praises of the document and those who made it. But at least those who want to take the trip are in dialogue; God willing they will at least understand it better.

This is going to impact not only those who would join in the future, but those who are already in the various Orders. I suspect that we will see some quit; others may leave very quietly. And like it or not, the Orders who lose memebers may actually be the better off for it. There will be little joy, however, for those who leave or for those left behind.

The line in the sand has been deacdes overdue, if not centuries. How effective a line in the sand it is remains to be seen, but any improvement is still an improvement.

 

[goofyjim]

contemplative:

No
It means that I believe the discernment process for seminarians will continue to be on individual basis. Blankets can be lifted in places. Think about it. Blankets work the same today as they did yesterday and the day before that.

Actually I am not pursuing the priesthood. My desire is for marriage but sometimes I feel I am the only one who struggles with the attraction. I have only dated women but never felt they would understand which usually led to lack of success.

 

[contemplative]

otm:

Yes, I think so. It is difficult to make any headway with someone who is mad at you and won’t speak.

I do not presume that all who go back on that trip will come home singing the praises of the document and those who made it. But at least those who want to take the trip are in dialogue; God willing they will at least understand it better.

This is going to impact not only those who would join in the future, but those who are already in the various Orders. I suspect that we will see some quit; others may leave very quietly. And like it or not, the Orders who lose memebers may actually be the better off for it. There will be little joy, however, for those who leave or for those left behind.

The line in the sand has been deacdes overdue, if not centuries. How effective a line in the sand it is remains to be seen, but any improvement is still an improvement.

I agree with all of the above
and
yes
overt is much better than concealed

 

[davy39]

The article in the Hartford Advocate referred to the fact that some men were “born Gay”, and couldn’t help the way they are. As far as I’m concerned, this is bull. We were all made in the image and likeness of God. But that’s another thread sometime. I support the Vaticans’ decision.

 

[harinkj]

davy39:

The article in the Hartford Advocate referred to the fact that some men were “born Gay”, and couldn’t help the way they are. As far as I’m concerned, this is bull. We were all made in the image and likeness of God. But that’s another thread sometime. I support the Vaticans’ decision.

How do you explain human hermaphrodites? Ulimately, whether people are born “gay,” or not, will be determined by science.

The Vatican can do what it wants. It has the authority of the Church; howver, if it bases its decisions on something that turns out to be false, then it may have to reverse itself later. It would seem to be better to base its decisions on simple preferences rather than unproven “facts” that may be found untrue later.

kathie :bowdown:

 

[netmilsmom]

harinkj:

How do you explain human hermaphrodites? Ulimately, whether people are born “gay,” or not, will be determined by science.

The Vatican can do what it wants. It has the authority of the Church; howver, if it bases its decisions on something that turns out to be false, then it may have to reverse itself later. It would seem to be better to base its decisions on simple preferences rather than unproven “facts” that may be found untrue later.

kathie :bowdown:

Hermaphodites are not gay, they are born with both sexual organs.

Twins studies have been done. If “gay” is genetic, both identical twins would be homosexual. That is not an absolute.

Now the studies that prove enviroment is the cause are much more conclusive.
Twins seperated at birth easily end up with different preferences.

 

[harinkj]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

Hermaphodites are not gay, they are born with both sexual organs.

I know that. You missed my point. I was answering the part of the quote:

davy39:

We were all made in the image and likeness of God.

If God made hermaphrodites, which are not exactly in His image, perhaps He made some people gay. Or more likely, He made a system and does not micromanage it. These things just happen.

• Katherine :bowdown:

 

[otm]

Dr. Bombay:

Yes. So I wonder why so many ignore this research?

Because we live in a world that has become more and more radically divided, more and more “politically correct”, and the political far Left has become more and more entrenched in identifyting with the fringe elements of society and with moral relativism.

It flies in the face of everything they are committed to; it is not an issue of rational discussion, but of “moral” committment to their ideology and special interest groups.

Many, if not most, straight liberals know one or more homosexuals personally; they are, however, not a part of the homosexuals lives; they do not see the sexual activities they engage in.

These same liberals will give mony to charitiable groups working with runaway teenagers, but have no idea that these runaway teenagers are a major source of prostitution. The kids prostitute themselves (in large numbers) in order to survive on the street. The boys who do end up as male prostitutes to the cruising homosexuals looking for a quick eroctic exchange with a young male, and the boy is vulnerable for a multitude of reasons, and safe - who is he going to report this to? And given the anonimity of the transaction, who is he going to turn in?

Most folks simply have no clue…

 

[otm]

harinkj:

I know that. You missed my point. I was answering the part of the quote:

If God made hermaphrodites, which are not exactly in His image, perhaps He made some people gay. Or more likely, He made a system and does not micromanage it. These things just happen.

• Katherine :bowdown:

God didn’t make hermaphrodites. God made people, men and women, in His likeness. The world has been broken since the sin of Adam and Eve. Nature exhibits the handiwork of God; but it also exhibits the brokenness that occured from, and continues to occur from, sin.

Hermaphrodites are an excellent example of the brokenness of the world, because they do not come out the way they are supposed to. Whether it is due to a geneteic anomaly, or to something that occurs to the child soon after conception, either due to something the mother does, or to outside influences to some chemical compound the mother comes in contact with, the fact is the child does not come out the way it is supposed to. Blaming it on God is poor theology.

 

[harinkj]

otm:

God didn’t make hermaphrodites. God made people, men and women, in His likeness. The world has been broken since the sin of Adam and Eve. Nature exhibits the handiwork of God; but it also exhibits the brokenness that occured from, and continues to occur from, sin.

Hermaphrodites are an excellent example of the brokenness of the world, because they do not come out the way they are supposed to. Whether it is due to a geneteic anomaly, or to something that occurs to the child soon after conception, either due to something the mother does, or to outside influences to some chemical compound the mother comes in contact with, the fact is the child does not come out the way it is supposed to. Blaming it on God is poor theology.

I agree. God does not micromanage. :clapping:

Kathie :bowdown:

 

[fix]

harinkj:

I agree. God does not micromanage. :clapping:

Kathie :bowdown:

What do you mean? God is involved in the affairs of men. The problem is we have original sin and free will which means we often choose evil over good.

We must remember God has an ordaining will and a permitting will.

 

[otm]

fix:

What do you mean? God is involved in the affairs of men. The problem is we have original sin and free will which means we often choose evil over good.

We must remember God has an ordaining will and a permitting will.

He was refering to my post in which I said that God doesn’t make hermaphrodites; he makes people - men and women - and that the birth defects are due to the brokenness of the world by sin.
All of which was in response to a post that said God made hermaphrodites, ergo…

 

[fix]

otm:

He was refering to my post in which I said that God doesn’t make hermaphrodites; he makes people - men and women - and that the birth defects are due to the brokenness of the world by sin.
All of which was in response to a post that said God made hermaphrodites, ergo…

I know. I was disagreeing with his/hers conclusion and how they arrived at such a conclusion. God knows the number of hairs on our head.

 

[Marian_Carroll]

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