Love and Loss

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I’m sorry, Rex, but even if it was God’s will for you to be together originally, it isn’t His will anymore. She’s married, and as long as it was a valid marriage, that’s likely to remain the case. I don’t know if the two of you can get over each other, but you probably won’t get over each other if you keep in contact like this. You may be soulmates, but she isn’t free to marry and she ought not to keep things going with you. It can’t be good for her marriage. By your own admission, it hasn’t been good for you. You were feeling so depressed you wanted to let yourself die. It’s tough, Rex. I’m sure you do love her, but keeping in contact doesn’t seem to be bearing good fruit, and you can be 100% certain it’s not God’s will for you to be with her because He joined her marriage to another guy. Painful as it must be, she’s off limits now. 😦 God bless.
 
Hi Rex,

I am not going to comment on other people’s responses given that they in all probability have a history of love and loss too; some perhaps recently hence the strong responses.

I am in the midst of this myself (7 years down the track) and should be feeling strong myself with advice however am feeling peaceful, calm and happy instead. Feeling loved by the man I know is my deepest loving soulmate is the MOST special gift that God, The Holy Spirit, Jesus and Our Lady Mary could give us (us being my deepest loving soulmate through the Holy Spirit) who introduced us both in Spirit and in person when I separated.

Whether or not I am with him physically is irrelevant to my overall happiness. Yes, it would be wonderful at present, although the facts are it has not happened. I keep extremely busy with many things and if someone comes along during 2013 (made this vow at the end of 2012) am going for it. This guy has contacted me for 7 years (daily) yet never bothered to sacrifice some of his work times to spend time with me ie worked 7 days per week while keeping an eye on me (interstate included when travelling). We are identical in our soul images morals values likes dislikes and both times when almost together it fell through (my daughter became ill at 21yrs old and I had to spend 10 months during 2012 with her - she is flying high now and fine) then I had health things to attend last year). All well and fine thanks be to God and Jesus.

Sure, i could keep hold of my hope in God and Jesus and continue to pray for my deepest loving soulmate and I to be together, however let go at the end of last year finally. Sold my house, moving and doing housesitting to break the ties residing in the same areas.

By the way, this is not a stalking situation as it outwardly appears Rex.

Sure, never in your soul give up hope however you deserve happiness too and being with someone for the rest of your life who you still can love and be loved.

I know the measuring up things; I feel those too and this is what had stopped me x 4 years not being interested in anyone else saying no to dates.

Everyone does Rex.
 
Thanks to all for the responses.

I do not expect, and have never expected, that this woman would leave her husband for me. I came to this forum to try to find some kind of way do deal with the crushing regret I feel now at 40 letting her go.

I talk to her because, yes, I do in fact fantasize how it could have been. I was in the wedding and it was presided over by three priests. It was a valid Catholic marriage and I felt no regret at the time. But now I feel it is too much to bear. Some people have responded to my posts by quoting the Catholic ‘rule book’, i.e. she’s married and that’s that and you have to now do x y and z.

But I have never found anyone like her again, and at age 40 dating is a jungle. I will probably never have children. I will probably never be married. It is possible, but probably unlikely. The regret I feel when I talk to her and I hear her children playing/screaming in the background came as a great surprise to me. I never knew I wanted these things, even in my mid-30s. It all seemed like a great burden, but what a beautiful burden it truly is. I am lost now.

When I read the posts in ALL CAPS of SHES MARRIED GET OVER IT, I also notice these are the same people who spend a lot of time protesting outside of abortion clinics. I firmly oppose abortion, and did even when I was an atheist, but there seems to be something about people who are VERY OVERLY CONCERNED about how OTHER PEOPLE LIVE THEIR LIVES. As in, their lives kind of suck, and they are unhappy, so the want to make sure that every thing in life is nice and BLACK AND WHITE so that their nice little world doesn’t get messed up and everyone is as unhappy as they are.

The truth is that life is messy, and good God if I could go back 15 years I would put a ring on her finger in an instant. But the past is just that, the past. I was looking for some guidance on this thread, and I did get some good feedback so it was worth it.

But I will say this: if my disease returns, I will not seek treatment for it. As hard as it may be to understand for some, life without love is simply not worth it. You are just paying the bills, going to work, et cetera. I do not know if this is suicide, but I think not. If it is, I pray for the Lord to send me to Purgatory. I pray on this. I know some replies will suggest psychiatry or counseling, but all these people do is tell you to think happy thoughts or give you pills. That’s not the point.

–Rex
 
Rex, you can make a swipe at me if you choose to. The fact that I stand and PRAY outside Planned Parenthood and hand women literature about true alternatives to abortion, says that I love them enough to want them not to go through an abortion. My sister had an abortion about 40 years ago, right after they became legal, and she has never been the same since. I tried to talk her out of it then, and I try to do the same now. If you think that means my life is unhappy, you are sadly mistaken. But if that means you can write me off, I guess that is what you will do.

I must apologize for the intensity of my response to you. If we were talking in person, yes, I would have raised my voice in an effort to reach the part of you that knows better than what you are doing. It is one thing to have regrets, to look back at a lost part of your life and think, “I wish I had done X and not Y.” I have those same regrets, mainly about having premarital sex. However, I do not know what my life would have been like had I made those different choices. Perhaps I would not have my 2 sons now. So I have to accept my past as part of my history, and go on as is.

Rex, if you tried to drive your car by staring in the rear view mirror, how long would it take before you’d crash?? That is what you are doing - except that by continuing to allow contact from your ex-girlfriend, you have pretty much parked the car and are living in the past, with her help. I wish you could see that someone who takes vows to love, cherish and honor one man, yet continues to call and keep another man on the hook, is NOT someone you should be pining for. You will probably defend her, but I’m going to say that she is being selfish for her own purposes, using you while continuing to also be dishonest to her husband. That’s not someone you should be longing for, Rex.

I’d love to help you have that “Damascus moment” when the scales fall from your eyes, but I’m afraid my voice is not the one you are going to listen to. It’s a pity, because others have said the same things, but your eyes and ears are closed to the message. You came here for help and we can see some things you cannot, but you can’t accept our help. If you could, you might be able to move forward with your life, even at 40. Many people marry late - I married at 31, and still managed to have children. But you can’t make those choices if you are still involved with this now-married ex-girlfriend.

Rex, you are in and will be in my prayers. I wish you no ill, I only wish that you would allow this thread into your heart of hearts. I think your depression keeps you a prisoner to this dishonorable woman and also your fantasy of what might have been increases the depression. You can be free of all of that, Rex. God loves you and wants more for you than longing for a past that didn’t happen. He really does.
 
Rex,
I am one of those who wrote that you should give up any contact with her.
I am not unhappy.
Actually, I am quite blissfully married to my college sweetheart, and we have been married for 15 years and have half a dozen children.

I did not mention this earlier because I did not feel that “rubbing your face in it” that I have what it is you are seeking.

However, if by my stating this you feel less like you can dismiss my warnings about how to behave around her, then I will say so.

I have seen others do much of what you did, that is, not marrying someone because of not feeling that marriage was something you wanted. Those friends of mine are still, as you are, paying the price for their earlier choices.

The choices we make in life have real consequences.
 
Not that it matters that much, Sillara, but there are consequences to everything.

One of the main reasons that I did not get married to this woman was that I grew up in a household where my father regularly referred to my mother with every filthy name in the book, when he wasn’t drunk that is. And my brother and I as well. You form your vision of what marriage is by observing your parents’ marriage. My parents marriage was chaos. They should have divorced, but for whatever reason stayed together.

There are very lucky people in the world, Sillara, like I am guessing you, who instead of being used as verbal punching bags by their alcoholic parents are actually guided and molded by loving parents to lead successful lives. At 40, I finally see how easy it is to live a happy life.

-Go to college and get a vocation
-Find a spouse
-Agree to be good and kind to each other
-Find a stable job where you can work for the rest of your life
-Have children
-Kiss your bosses *** and work your way up the ladder
-Buy nice stuff for the people you love.
-Cultivate a social circle of friends
-Be active in your community/church

That’s it. And some parents actually tell their children these things, and so these people lead ‘blissful’ lives. Some parents don’t. Some spend their time sitting on barstools with floozies who aren’t their wife instead of spending time with their children. But I’ll spare you the rest.

So when you meet someone who could have given you the things that make for a happy life, and you take a pass on it because you see marriage as a path to discord and chaos, it’s pretty hard to let it go when you finally wake up to the fact that a good wife and children is pretty much what makes life worth living. Not everyone avoids marriage because they want to be a ‘player’.

I’m happy that you are happy Sillara.

–Rex
 
Bad situation for both of you.

In my humble opinion :
  • One is never too old to get married. At 40 you’re still young. 🙂
  • she shouldn’t have named one of her kids after you. Does her husband knows? I would be mad.
  • anyway, she seems to be playing with you. Sorry but some people just like to feel important and have someone you to fanzy them…even if they’re married, have kids…
  • you should definitely stop every contact with her just for the sake of your mental health and obviously because you don’t wanna be the one f****** up her marriage. I know it’s hard but life is way too precious to keep on wondering about the past the way you do.
  • you should get some professional help or see a priest or anyone who could help you out of anyone on line, because you seem to be depressed about her and most of all your childhood. So you might wanna take some time to fix this out before looking to be in a relationship.
  • as hard as you feel some post might have been, it’s only because we care for you.
    Good luck. :hug1:
 
The truth is that life is messy, and good God if I could go back 15 years I would put a ring on her finger in an instant. But the past is just that, the past. I was looking for some guidance on this thread, and I did get some good feedback so it was worth it.

But I will say this: if my disease returns, I will not seek treatment for it. As hard as it may be to understand for some, life without love is simply not worth it. You are just paying the bills, going to work, et cetera. I do not know if this is suicide, but I think not. If it is, I pray for the Lord to send me to Purgatory. I pray on this. I know some replies will suggest psychiatry or counseling, but all these people do is tell you to think happy thoughts or give you pills. That’s not the point.

–Rex
Rex,

You sound very depressed. I think perhaps you might want to talk to a priest. I’m pretty sure you were right to conclude that letting yourself die in the way you describe would be tantamount to suicide. But please talk to someone. Priests can often say very comforting things, and there’s a lot of help out there and a lot of supportive people.

As for life not being worth living without love, that’s probably true. But you do have a source of love that will never fail you: God. He loved you so much He died for you, and He hasn’t abandoned you. If you want to be happy, you need to discern God’s will. Happiness doesn’t lie in marriage. It lies in doing God’s will for you. For most people that does involve marrying the person God has in store for them. For some people it lies in celibacy. Don’t give up, dude. It’s not too late. But a priest or spiritual director should be able to help you more than we can. Please don’t give up and don’t stop taking care of yourself. This isn’t worth losing your life over. The only thing that’s worth that is Heaven.
 
Howdy Rex,

I read the original post and all of the comments. I wish there was a magic pill or a quick fix but this sounds like you received a huge chunk of the cross to bear. I would like to say I’ve lived my life without regret, but I have one major regret. After talking with a priest, he made me understand that this cross that I was given (that I gave myself ) is going to bring me closer to Jesus.

Letting her go is your cross.

You might want to contact the Pastoral Solutions Institute for their Tele-Counseling Services. They are an amazing team.

I would strongly suggest that you cut ties with her (even if that means changing your phone number, email, social media) You might not see it or want to see it and she might not realize it either but she is being selfish and taking you for an emotional ride.

I will keep you in prayer. Seriously think about contacting the Pastoral Solutions Institute

-Meximo
 
I know some replies will suggest psychiatry or counseling, but all these people do is tell you to think happy thoughts or give you pills. That’s not the point.
With all due respect, but you appear to use the forum as counseling.

I say this not to be unkind, but every so often people use CAF to fill an inner void in their offline life. If that’s the case, we can’t offer you much meaningful advice and you might as well seek therapy or at least personal counsel.

God bless you and you have my prayers.
 
Julieanne is correct Rex and thank you Julieanne for your selfless time giving not only to Rex, but to others on this topic including myself.
 
Not that it matters that much, Sillara, but there are consequences to everything.

One of the main reasons that I did not get married to this woman was that I grew up in a household where my father regularly referred to my mother with every filthy name in the book, when he wasn’t drunk that is. And my brother and I as well. You form your vision of what marriage is by observing your parents’ marriage. My parents marriage was chaos. They should have divorced, but for whatever reason stayed together.

There are very lucky people in the world, Sillara, like I am guessing you, who instead of being used as verbal punching bags by their alcoholic parents are actually guided and molded by loving parents to lead successful lives. At 40, I finally see how easy it is to live a happy life.

-Go to college and get a vocation
-Find a spouse
-Agree to be good and kind to each other
-Find a stable job where you can work for the rest of your life
-Have children
-Kiss your bosses *** and work your way up the ladder
-Buy nice stuff for the people you love.
-Cultivate a social circle of friends
-Be active in your community/church

That’s it. And some parents actually tell their children these things, and so these people lead ‘blissful’ lives. Some parents don’t. Some spend their time sitting on barstools with floozies who aren’t their wife instead of spending time with their children. But I’ll spare you the rest.

So when you meet someone who could have given you the things that make for a happy life, and you take a pass on it because you see marriage as a path to discord and chaos, it’s pretty hard to let it go when you finally wake up to the fact that a good wife and children is pretty much what makes life worth living. Not everyone avoids marriage because they want to be a ‘player’.

I’m happy that you are happy Sillara.

–Rex
My husband was raised in a home more broken even than yours, Rex. He spent most of his childhood as a literal punching bag, a particularly dire consequence of his series of stepfathers. His mother is on her fourth “husband”, his father alone after five “marriages”.

Yet, when we were 22, my then-boyfriend had the sense to ask me to marry him. No, he was not “sorted out” after his childhood. He was a terribly broken man, and he only sorted himself out six months ago. Yes, we have been married fifteen years. Throughout most of our marriage, I paid the price for my husband’s brokenness, but it was something I was willing and glad to do, as it was my vocation.

My husband says, “The choices we make in life are irrevocable. If they were not irrevocable, our lives would have no meaning because the choices we made would not mean anything. That is the way life is. The vow of marriage creates a new thing that cannot be undone, even by God. Does the husband of your former girlfriend know about your friendship, your history, and the state of your feelings for each other?”

My husband is a wise man, and he says that people often hide behind their pasts as an excuse. It never is.
 
Hey, Rex. You’d not be correct in thinking that nobody would be able to measure up to her; whether anybody will, that is something for you to see. However, a lot depends on the effort you put in it, whether you allow yourself to perceive other women and react to them “in real time”, as opposed to missing out on them due to mourning the loss of that one, and later mourning the loss of them as another wasted opportunity. A sharp sense of reacting to opportunity is good to have, and sometimes it’s like Caesar said, “I’ll either find a way or make a way,” (aut viam inveniam aut faciam).

You rather clearly see flaws in that woman. I remember you saying, “like many women, she wants to have it both ways.” Not only can you perceive something negative but also the fact that it’s not different from many others. There might be more such things. Every woman is different. Each of them has unique strong “selling propositions”, while also each has her own downsides, in many cases a more serious flaw or two. The ideal one probably doesn’t exist, the great ones are hard to come by but it’s possible, and the once-in-a-lifetime thing doesn’t have strong backing.

That is, sure, some things are “once in a life-time” but in being “once in a life-time” they aren’t unique among others. I’ve met quite a couple of remarkable women in my life, some with a strong impact on me. Each of them obviously had something unique in her personality and other circumstances, and there was also something unique in our relationship or friendship, but the same is true about every other one. How many people does one know who are descended from a Catholic bishop in the middle ages? How many Roman Catholic Greeks? How many Polish-Chaldeans or Sicilian Italian-Arabs, how many lawyers turned jazz singers, how many Child Education graduates with a driving licence for military trucks (not to mention the weaponry)? (For the record, none of the foregoing is made up.)

Everybody is unique and has a distinct personal story that makes him different from other people, some are quite remarkable. If you go out and reach out to people, you can meet them. Throughout my life-time I’ve met women that have seemed like answers to my prayers or at least a matching response to my dreams, longings (“longings” more in connection with certain deep-rooted interests), guess what. None of them apparently was the “right one” (not that there is only one “right one”), something always went awry or… simply dissipated. I have distinct memories of some of them, which did not prevent me from meeting others later and developing similar memories of them in turn. Sometimes I didn’t know the loss of whom exactly was (then) currently stinging me more. Well, what I know is I’m still alive and all the richer. Same in your case, although you may be affected by a lack of reference material, artificially reinforcing your impression of that particular woman’s uniqueness. And once again: she is unique for sure, but she’s not unique in being unique (or even remarkable). And like you noticed: she’s not ideal, she has her flaws, some of them potentially large, and some quite unnerving.

Plus, on the more prosaic side, remember that the grass is always greener on the other side (whether for you or for her), that the time smoothens up the memories of puppy loves, removes the unpleasant sensations and only leaves the pleasant ones when we recall those people, and that unlike her husband you don’t have to live with her every day. Unlike with her husband, she has not (recently) lived with you day by day either. The chemicals in your brain are playing tricks on you. Don’t let them. And I know this sounds easy to say when, day by day, your life feels sad, your mood is low and so on. But the causes are various, sometimes it’s lack of sun exposure, insufficient heating, immune problems perhaps, stress from work, and sometimes you just need to talk to a professional to resolve some issues (which in no way constitutes being a pansy; the marines keep shrinks, you know, or at least loan them from the navy, so much more can a normal guy go to a counsellor).
 
  • No, he was not “sorted out” after his childhood. He was a terribly broken man, and he only sorted himself out six months ago. Yes, we have been married fifteen years. Throughout most of our marriage, I paid the price for my husband’s brokenness, but it was something I was willing and glad to do, as it was my vocation.
My husband says, “The choices we make in life are irrevocable. If they were not irrevocable, our lives would have no meaning because the choices we made would not mean anything. That is the way life is. The vow of marriage creates a new thing that cannot be undone, even by God. Does the husband of your former girlfriend know about your friendship, your history, and the state of your feelings for each other?”

My husband is a wise man, and he says that people often hide behind their pasts as an excuse. It never is. *

The part in bold doesn’t exactly square with your original claim of 15 years of ‘blissful’ marriage. I would agree that blaming other people for your problems gets you nowhere, and perhaps like an earlier poster noted that this is simply a cross that I need to bear.
 
  • No, he was not “sorted out” after his childhood. He was a terribly broken man, and he only sorted himself out six months ago. Yes, we have been married fifteen years. Throughout most of our marriage, I paid the price for my husband’s brokenness*, but it was something I was willing and glad to do, as it was my vocation.
My husband says, “The choices we make in life are irrevocable. If they were not irrevocable, our lives would have no meaning because the choices we made would not mean anything. That is the way life is. The vow of marriage creates a new thing that cannot be undone, even by God. Does the husband of your former girlfriend know about your friendship, your history, and the state of your feelings for each other?”

My husband is a wise man, and he says that people often hide behind their pasts as an excuse. It never is.

The part in bold doesn’t exactly square with your original claim of 15 years of ‘blissful’ marriage. I would agree that blaming other people for your problems gets you nowhere, and perhaps like an earlier poster noted that this is simply a cross that I need to bear.
All people are broken - it is what makes us human. No relationship between two people is perfect - that is why marriage is a vocation and not an avocation. This is why we take a lifelong vow to work at it and through our issues of brokeness. I believe that in these issues it is the working through things that bring bliss. The exception comes when something is so broken that the marriage is not valid or clearly cannot be saved due to issues of abuse, etc.
 
Hi Rex, When you are ready to move on, share your life with one of the many unique most loving women out there and have children; you will do it and surprise yourself coming across a most beautiful woman for your wife and Mother of your children.

Why not write down all of the attributes you fell in love with in relation to the woman you love and pray The Holy Rosary to both Jesus and Our Lady Mary asking for the ‘right’ woman to come into your life quickly?

God and The Holy Spirit take care of the love and all of the ingredients in each of us to match.

My problem was that I prayed for my deepest loving soulmate 6 years ago after the separation and this bloke comes near me but holds back when I am around my grown up kids near their father.

This year I have moved and free as my children are on their feet as young adults. Still there for my children always, but letting them go to live their lives as I did at their ages (20’s).

However, he still has a daughter in secondary school raising her and I feel it best for them to be together and share her remaining precious years with her Dad and Mum close by.

Ultimately my decision and believe in my heart to be for the best.

I truly hope you receive the happiness you deserve and when you are ready to move on will do so (if through God)!
 
Hi Rex, When you are ready to move on, share your life with one of the many unique most loving women out there and have children; you will do it and surprise yourself coming across a most beautiful woman for your wife and Mother of your children.
I like this sentiment! Rex, eventually you may be the answer to someone else’s prayer…
 
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