...love begets love...

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I am noticing something highly disturbing as I look around this particular forum.

Why all the hatred from my fellow Catholics towards those of other faiths?

We will win no friends by using blatant put-downs, no converts by throwing around insults or acting condescending.

If this had’ve been my introduction to Catholicism, let me tell you I would’ve had it confirmed in my mind that Catholics are a bunch of hypocrites!!

I’m not saying that anyone is intending to be mean, rude or disrespectful. But intentionally or not, that is a lot of what is being put forward here.

If you came here to insult people of other faiths, if you came here to drive a permanent wedge in the form of your example between the Catholic Church and people of other faith traditions and experiences, then by all means continue - but let me know so that I can get out of it now!

If you are simply frusterated, tired of explaining the same things over and over again, feeling particularly persecuted or misunderstood, then take a time out, pray about it, ask yourself what would Jesus do and think before you post!!!

Please. Maybe we disagree with some (or most) of what Islam teaches; we are still called to love Muslims.

Maybe we disagree with or are frusterated with our Protestant brothers and sisters; we are still called to love Protestants.

Maybe we are absolutely certain that what the Pagans are doing is wrong; we are still called to love Pagans.

Maybe the teachings of Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses baffle us and seem even to be offensive to us; we are still called to love Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Maybe we are sick and tired of struggling through an atheistic society, maybe we have a grudge against atheism and agnosticism; we are still called to love atheists and agnostics.

You get the idea.

We, as Catholics, as followers of Christ, are called to love, our enemies, our friends, each other, as Christ has loved us.

How has Christ loved us?

Christ has loved us even to the point of death, death on a cross.

We are called to be an example, in our words, our actions, to be an example of love and kindness, compassion and charity, so that others will be drawn to follow our example, drawn to the Church we love so dearly through our example.

Instead what I’ve seen here, on the first five consecutive posts that I have read, are blatantly rude behaviors. insults and attacks flying. put downs showering down on those of other faiths who dare to ask a question. condescending tones employed purposefully and clearly when correcting someone or explaining a doctrine or dogma to someone.

No wonder so many people don’t want to become Catholic! We give to them the appearance that what Ghandi said of Christianity rings true for Catholicism; that the only problem with it is that it hasn’t actually been tried yet! by anyone, even those who claim to live it!

Being Catholic, belonging to Christ - yes, it’s about the Sacraments, and the Eucharist, and prayer. It’s also about fruits; it’s about investing our love and our talents in loving those who frusterate us the most.

So please, I’m begging everyone here. Before you post your next reply on whatever thread. Take a deep breath. Pretend you are someone genuinely seeking information. Read your post over from the viewpoint of someone else.

Would you like to be spoken to in the way that your post is speaking? If not, can you edit it for the sake of charity and Christian love?

This is a suggestion for everyone, a wake up call for some and a reminder for all because we all do forget sometimes. In His love, always, and striving to imitate His love, always.

Pax Christi,
Esther Rose
 
I’ve finally realized I can love anti-Catholics or fundamentalists best from afar. The less communication between me and them the better.
 
Hi

We are still called to love Catholics.
We are still called to love Muslims.
We are still called to love Protestants.
We are still called to love JWs.
We are still called to love Mormons.
We are still called to love Atheist.
Etc, Etc
We have to love everybody that is why we are here.

Thanks
 
Ah, but what’s your definition of ‘love’?

Do you think, for example, that Jesus didn’t love those He drove out of the Temple? How about those He called hypocrites, vipers, whited sepulchres and several other choice phrases?

Or that when Scripture tells us to rebuke our brother if he sins and then treat him as a heathen if he persists, that it’s telling us to stop loving him? Are you saying love is incompatible with robust critiquing?

What I do know is that if I really love someone I want the supreme good for them. That means their spiritual and eternal good more than their physical good, since the eternal and spiritual matter so much more.

Above all - if I truly love someone I want their salvation, and I want them to come to know the fullness of truth. These two things are worth more than any amount of physical comfort, ‘self-esteem’, warm fuzzy glows or anything else you could name.

It’s the opposite of love to leave someone who is in sin or error to wallow in their wrongness. And it’s certainly the opposite of love to do the ‘I’m OK you’re OK’ thing, which for me is the shortest route to their damnation and probably my own for being party to theirs.

Certainly Jesus always deeply challenged those who were sinful, those who had mistaken ideas about God or their faith - see above - as did the Apostles.
 
I am noticing something highly disturbing as I look around this particular forum.

Why all the hatred from my fellow Catholics towards those of other faiths?
I have been a participant on this forum almost since its inception, and very rarely particularly on the apologetics forum and its subsets do I see any hatred expressed by Catholic members toward those persons of other faiths. Yes lack of charity is a persistent problem, but posters who start out with a chip on their shoulder and are unaquainted with the rules of apologetics seldom last long here.

What I do see is refusal to compromise with the truth, but that rarely translates into hatred expressed toward persons, although it does result in firmness and unequivocal defense of truth, and adherence to the rule of logic that if A is true, and B contradicts A, then B must be false, and there is no way to argue “can’t we just accept both A and B so we all get along.”

Hatred of the idea expressed by a person, or of an action pursued by a person, is not the same as hatred of the person himself.
 
Ah, but what’s your definition of ‘love’?

Do you think, for example, that Jesus didn’t love those He drove out of the Temple? How about those He called hypocrites, vipers, whited sepulchres and several other choice phrases?

Or that when Scripture tells us to rebuke our brother if he sins and then treat him as a heathen if he persists, that it’s telling us to stop loving him? Are you saying love is incompatible with robust critiquing?

What I do know is that if I really love someone I want the supreme good for them. That means their spiritual and eternal good more than their physical good, since the eternal and spiritual matter so much more.

Above all - if I truly love someone I want their salvation, and I want them to come to know the fullness of truth. These two things are worth more than any amount of physical comfort, ‘self-esteem’, warm fuzzy glows or anything else you could name.

It’s the opposite of love to leave someone who is in sin or error to wallow in their wrongness. And it’s certainly the opposite of love to do the ‘I’m OK you’re OK’ thing, which for me is the shortest route to their damnation and probably my own for being party to theirs.

Certainly Jesus always deeply challenged those who were sinful, those who had mistaken ideas about God or their faith - see above - as did the Apostles.
Excellent post, Lily! 👍

Vickie
 
I’ve finally realized I can love anti-Catholics or fundamentalists best from afar. The less communication between me and them the better.
Based on your name calling and attacks on me, I’m inclined to agree.
 
Indeed we have to love everybody but we don’t have to love everything that non-catholics say, do or believe in. If somebody says that 2 and 2 is 5, I have a respect for such a person but I have no respect for what the person is saying. I will also try to explain that 4 seems to be a proper number. Does it mean that I attack or hate the person? No, it means that I chose truth instead of lies. I admit it is a problem to critisize false beliefs and not to hurt people who believe in lies.
You care so much about other religions but none of them respects the CC the way I wish them to do. Muslims persecute millions of christians and you don’t want us to say truth about islam? What do you really want? I am interested in truth, it may be painful but it doesn’t matter. Who is doing something wrong: protestants who call the CC “the whore of Babylon” and pope - “Antichrist”, or catholics who defend their religion? Why don’t you ask protestants to be more respectful towards us? Or why don’t you ask muslims to stop killing christians? It’s our duty to defend Truth (I repeat this word again because Christ is not only the Way and the Life but also the Truth).
The best thing we can do for non-catholics is to convert them - this is love. Being quiet and pretending that everything is all right is not love, it’s cowardice.
 
Based on your name calling and attacks on me, I’m inclined to agree.
And what name did I call you, exactly? I just went back through our brief exchange, and I couldn’t find anything. If you object to being characterized as a fundamentalist, then okay. That’s a hard one to pin down sometimes. Other than that, what? Please show me.
 
I don’t know–usually I don’t have any problem with the issues non-Catholics have with those of us who are Catholic (I understand because for 36 years I was a non-Catholic 😊 ).

What chaps my hide is when non-Catholics accuse me (me/us, in the general sense) as a Catholic, of not having a faith, of not having a prayer life, of only going through “the motions”, of not knowing Who Jesus is, of relying on works rather than grace, of worshiping statues & Mary, on and on and on. . . and my pat answer has always been: when that person can show me that they are the Messiah, THEN they can adequately judge what’s in my heart–and not only me as a Catholic, but me as a Christian.

And I mean that only in the most respectful sense–one time, another poster rightly thought that I was using the wounds of Christ merely to prove my point against another forum member. Embarassingly, I did come across that way. All I meant was that, in order for a non-Catholic to truly see what’s in MY Catholic heart–and the hearts of other Catholics–they need to be omniscient and omnipotent . . . and only One Person can do that. 🙂 And that, before they accuse Catholics of being, for lack of another way to phrase it, “dead” in anything about their faith, maybe these people should look deeply into *their own hearts *(hmm, methinks there’s some Scripture about that 😉 ) and find out what’s Real and Truth about the Catholic Church.

Hope that drevil made some sense. . .
 
Should we love devil worshippers too?
especially devil worshippers.

take em to lunch 😃

they are the ones we should be worried about

I cant understand why catholics and protestants dont see each other as christians.

maybe Heaven will be empty based on those standards.

🤷
 
Hi

We are still called to love Catholics.
We are still called to love Muslims.
We are still called to love Protestants.
We are still called to love JWs.
We are still called to love Mormons.
We are still called to love Atheist.
Etc, Etc
We have to love everybody that is why we are here.

Thanks
Finally, something I agree with you on Parrsurrey, LOL. I’ve seen alot of disparagement on both sides, Catholic and Protestant (And Muslim and JW) but I don’t think anyone “hates” the other side, arguements just get heated. Being that we’re all online, and since we don’t personally know the people here, or see their faces, sometimes we (me too) forget to use tact and throw it out the window. 😦

Tact, people!!!
 
especially devil worshippers.

take em to lunch 😃

they are the ones we should be worried about

I cant understand why catholics and protestants dont see each other as christians.

maybe Heaven will be empty based on those standards.

🤷
The only Protestants I don’t think are Christians are the ones who’ve never been baptized and believe in far-out heretical things such as Jesus being one mode of God, etc. Other than that, it’s too murky of a territory to make such speculations. I just wish the courtesy was returned among the most virulent anti-Catholics. For them, it doesn’t matter if you assert until you’re blue in the face that Jesus is Lord, and through him ALONE we’re saved–some just won’t accept that you’re Christian.

Any good stigma beats a good dogma any day of the week, I guess…
 
The only Protestants I don’t think are Christians are the ones who’ve never been baptized and believe in far-out heretical things such as Jesus being one mode of God, etc. Other than that, it’s too murky of a territory to make such speculations. I just wish the courtesy was returned among the most virulent anti-Catholics. For them, it doesn’t matter if you assert until you’re blue in the face that Jesus is Lord, and through him ALONE we’re saved–some just won’t accept that you’re Christian.

Any good stigma beats a good dogma any day of the week, I guess…
Well, I use the litmus test of Jesus, it generally drives out the deadwood.

as for baptized, I hear that alot, it concerns me as Im not, not that I dont want to, just havent. Problem with not having a home, have to be a guest somewhere, and I dont know how guest status, how it all works.
 
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