Love, Meekness and Protestant/Catholic Eucharist

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This just struck me the other day. The biggest difference between Protestant ideas of the symbolism of the Eucharist/ consubstantiation and the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation is surely about the loving abandon with which Christ comes to us through the Eucharist.

Let me take an analogy, two identical scenarios:

A young woman goes up to a rough looking homeless man on the street, she talks to him, helps him stand up, helps him into a cafe and shares some food, then gives him the number of a shelter nearby.

Another young woman goes up to a rough looking homeless man on the street, she talks to him, helps him stand up, helps him into a cafe and shares some food, then gives him the number of a shelter nearby.

The outward signs are the same, there’s only one difference. In the second scenario, the young woman has a gun in her handbag!

In the first scenario, there is a self-giving love that sees and knows the risks, and takes them anyway. In the second scenario, there is love, but the love is mixed with power - the same kind words and the same gifts are given, but control is not given away.

The only time you see the difference is when the two scenarios go badly. In the first scenario it’s the young woman who gets hurt, in the second, it’s the man who tries to hurt her who gets shot.

Coming back to communion, it’s impossible to commit sacrilege in the protestant churches - the moment anyone so much as thinks of doing something profane to the Eucharist, it ceases to be/represent Christ, He returns to Heaven, to His seat of power. In the Catholic Church, Christ in the Eucharist, as with Christ in His incarnation, presents Himself to us whole, meek, exposed. He knows He can be hurt, and He loves us all the same. As He did not withdraw from the cross, so He doesn’t withdraw from us, even in our sin and sacrilege, He comes to us in true meekness. Sure, He could leave, He could strike us down, but just as He stayed His mighty arm on the cross, so it is with the Eucharist.

In the Catholic Church, Christ willingly binds Himself to all kinds of human beings, institutions and created objects. He does this with the kind of abandon that a lover gives to his true beloved. You can choose to view this as foolishness and weakness if you like, but then all that’s left is a kind of condescending contractual love, which doesn’t seem to me to have much in common with the indescribable love and self-giving of the incarnation of Jesus Christ.

Love from behind an impenetrable shield is not the kind of love God offers us, and it’s not the kind of love any of us would honestly want, whether from God or one another.

(hmm, talking of impenetrable shields, I could go on to bring in a link between Protestant/Catholic Eucharistic theology and Protestant/Catholic views on contraception, but maybe that’s for another thread.)

Anyway, it’s just a thought, I’m just putting it out there for discussion.
 
This just struck me the other day. The biggest difference between Protestant ideas of the symbolism of the Eucharist/ consubstantiation and the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation is surely about the loving abandon with which Christ comes to us through the Eucharist.

Let me take an analogy, two identical scenarios:

A young woman goes up to a rough looking homeless man on the street, she talks to him, helps him stand up, helps him into a cafe and shares some food, then gives him the number of a shelter nearby.

Another young woman goes up to a rough looking homeless man on the street, she talks to him, helps him stand up, helps him into a cafe and shares some food, then gives him the number of a shelter nearby.

The outward signs are the same, there’s only one difference. In the second scenario, the young woman has a gun in her handbag!

In the first scenario, there is a self-giving love that sees and knows the risks, and takes them anyway. In the second scenario, there is love, but the love is mixed with power - the same kind words and the same gifts are given, but control is not given away.

The only time you see the difference is when the two scenarios go badly. In the first scenario it’s the young woman who gets hurt, in the second, it’s the man who tries to hurt her who gets shot.

Coming back to communion, it’s impossible to commit sacrilege in the protestant churches - the moment anyone so much as thinks of doing something profane to the Eucharist, it ceases to be/represent Christ, He returns to Heaven, to His seat of power. In the Catholic Church, Christ in the Eucharist, as with Christ in His incarnation, presents Himself to us whole, meek, exposed. He knows He can be hurt, and He loves us all the same. As He did not withdraw from the cross, so He doesn’t withdraw from us, even in our sin and sacrilege, He comes to us in true meekness. Sure, He could leave, He could strike us down, but just as He stayed His mighty arm on the cross, so it is with the Eucharist.

In the Catholic Church, Christ willingly binds Himself to all kinds of human beings, institutions and created objects. He does this with the kind of abandon that a lover gives to his true beloved. You can choose to view this as foolishness and weakness if you like, but then all that’s left is a kind of condescending contractual love, which doesn’t seem to me to have much in common with the indescribable love and self-giving of the incarnation of Jesus Christ.

Love from behind an impenetrable shield is not the kind of love God offers us, and it’s not the kind of love any of us would honestly want, whether from God or one another.

(hmm, talking of impenetrable shields, I could go on to bring in a link between Protestant/Catholic Eucharistic theology and Protestant/Catholic views on contraception, but maybe that’s for another thread.)

Anyway, it’s just a thought, I’m just putting it out there for discussion.
Hi DL82,

Just a couple of thoughts. Your thoughts are probably directed to those who do not believe in the real presence, but;
The biggest difference between Protestant ideas of the symbolism of the Eucharist/ consubstantiation and the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation is surely about the loving abandon with which Christ comes to us through the Eucharist.
I don’t know if you meant to link symbolism and “consubstantiation”, but they are not the same. Consub. is usually the term used to describe Luther’s “in, with, and under”. “The body and blood of Christ are truly and substantially present and are truly offered with those things that are seen…”
This is in no way symbolic or a rememberance. Scripture supports the real presence.
As to the idea that Christ abandons the Eucharist when those unworthily take it, Luther’s “Large Catechism” says,
Whether even a wicked priest can minister at, and dispense, the Sacrament, and whatever other questions like this there may be. 16] For here we conclude and say: Even though a knave takes or distributes the Sacrament, he receives the true Sacrament, that is, the true body and blood of Christ, just as truly as he who [receives or] administers it in the most worthy manner. For it is not founded upon the holiness of men, but upon the Word of God. And as no saint upon earth, yea, no angel in heaven, can make bread and wine to be the body and blood of Christ, so also can no one change or alter it, even though it be misused.
So, perhaps, in this way, too, Lutherans and Catholics stand the same ground on the Eucharist.

Jon
 
The question then thus begs to be asked: why the difference? Why is it in some of the protestant churches, communion is regarded only as a symbol, not the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ?

Surely even in the Catholic Church, there are some priest that may not be properly dispensed to distribute the Eucharist in a worthy manner - and those who receive unworthily - but does that negate the Presence in the Eucharist?

Discuss.
 
The question then thus begs to be asked: why the difference? Why is it in some of the protestant churches, communion is regarded only as a symbol, not the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ?

Surely even in the Catholic Church, there are some priest that may not be properly dispensed to distribute the Eucharist in a worthy manner - and those who receive unworthily - but does that negate the Presence in the Eucharist?

Discuss.
In your first paragraph, I suspect someone who believes that way can explain why. I believe is means is, not is means symbolic of.

In the second, when the words are spoken, “On the night when he was betrayed, the Lord…” etc., it is the work of Christ Himself, through the pastor or priest, and the words, regardless of the worthness of said pastor or priest. Otherwise, 1 Cor. 11:27-29 doesn’t make sense.

Jon
 
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