Love (Romance)

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Curious, I am, towards others’ perspective on love in terms of romantic nature/kind.

How do you describe romantic love?

How might someone “know” they are in-love?

Are conventional ideas practical in considering love? For example: always having that person on your mind, being extremely happy, “they walked in the room and right away I knew” and other stuff like that.
 
Well, there is something to the romantic aspect, but really…these romantic notions (love at first sight) etc. often make single folks really despondent when they don’t experience something similar. I think some people experience the tingling, the giddy happiness, but others work at their relationships more and it takes more time to know for sure if it’s love.
I don’t think one can summarize the feeling and the reality in a few categories. 🤷
 
Excuse me if this is not 100% correct location. I looked all over and thought it was fitting.

Curious, I am, towards others’ perspective on love in terms of romantic nature/kind.

How do you describe romantic love?

How might someone “know” they are in-love?

Are conventional ideas practical in considering love? For example: always having that person on your mind, being extremely happy, “they walked in the room and right away I knew” and other stuff like that.
Yes.

That doesn’t mean that it is necessarily the right person, but those things are real.
 
I never understood how you could “be in love” with a person when they first walk into a room and you automatically know. That seems more like lust to me because it’s focused on the physical attraction because clearly you know nothing about that person.
I think there are different types of love. Romance, chemistry, deep love, mature love, infatuation that may seem like love… I don’t believe they can all be experienced at once with one person (maybe you get a different kind of love with someone you date later on).
 
Excuse me if this is not 100% correct location. I looked all over and thought it was fitting.

Curious, I am, towards others’ perspective on love in terms of romantic nature/kind.

How do you describe romantic love?

How might someone “know” they are in-love?

Are conventional ideas practical in considering love? For example: always having that person on your mind, being extremely happy, “they walked in the room and right away I knew” and other stuff like that.
I don’t think I have ever had someone always on my mind. I have seen people walk into the room and be like, “DANG!!!” But that is more lust/attraction, not LOVE. Love is a lot more than that. Love is romance, but it is also seeing someone at their worst and still wanting to be apart of their life.
Love isn’t always rainbows and butterflies. You have to compromise, you have to be ok with the other person being imperfect. Attraction I don’t think is much of a choice, you can’t help who you crush on, but love…you choose that.

When you wake up one day and think, “I will be perfectly content waking up to this person next to me, willing to kiss them good morning with morning breath, willing to spend the rest of my life with this person forever and ever in good times and in bad. I wouldn’t mind this person raising my children, I wouldn’t mind wiping their rear when they are too old or fat to reach it,” that’s when you know you are in love. When there are no conditions to your love, that is true love.
 
There are two types of chemical releases in the brain that occurs with atrraction. The first response is called dopamine. This is a short term positive response that can be activated by attractive people, adrenalin rushes (rollercoasters, sky diving, ect), smoking, alcohal, narcotics, and more. It is the physical responce that make people seek more and often invites a person to allow addiction if they are not trained in self-control. This is why times like Advent and Lent allow us to exercise self-control are very important to our well being.

The second chemical responce released in the brain is seratonan. This is a bonding chemical that often leads to loyalty and responsability, among other responses. It is a long term chemical vs dopamines short term release. People who stay together will build the seratonan over time and you can also build this towards animals. They have studied people who pet a dog/cat every day, and with each day their seratonan levels .

Equally important to how the body is responding, we need to understand how the soul responds to love. Papa Benedict wrote an encyclical on “Love” and explores the dynamics between Eros, Agape, and Fraternal love. I’ll see if I can grab the quotes that may interest you most and post it later.
 
  1. Two things emerge clearly from this rapid overview of the concept of eros past and present. First, there is a certain relationship between love and the Divine: love promises infinity, eternity—a reality far greater and totally other than our everyday existence. Yet we have also seen that the way to attain this goal is not simply by submitting to instinct. Purification and growth in maturity are called for; and these also pass through the path of renunciation. Far from rejecting or “poisoning” eros, they heal it and restore its true grandeur.
This is due first and foremost to the fact that man is a being made up of body and soul. Man is truly himself when his body and soul are intimately united; the challenge of eros can be said to be truly overcome when this unification is achieved. Should he aspire to be pure spirit and to reject the flesh as pertaining to his animal nature alone, then spirit and body would both lose their dignity. On the other hand, should he deny the spirit and consider matter, the body, as the only reality, he would likewise lose his greatness. The epicure Gassendi used to offer Descartes the humorous greeting: “O Soul!” And Descartes would reply: “O Flesh!”.[3] Yet it is neither the spirit alone nor the body alone that loves: it is man, the person, a unified creature composed of body and soul, who loves. Only when both dimensions are truly united, does man attain his full stature. Only thus is love —eros—able to mature and attain its authentic grandeur.
Nowadays Christianity of the past is often criticized as having been opposed to the body; and it is quite true that tendencies of this sort have always existed. Yet the contemporary way of exalting the body is deceptive. Eros, reduced to pure “sex”, has become a commodity, a mere “thing” to be bought and sold, or rather, man himself becomes a commodity. This is hardly man’s great “yes” to the body. On the contrary, he now considers his body and his sexuality as the purely material part of himself, to be used and exploited at will. Nor does he see it as an arena for the exercise of his freedom, but as a mere object that he attempts, as he pleases, to make both enjoyable and harmless. Here we are actually dealing with a debasement of the human body: no longer is it integrated into our overall existential freedom; no longer is it a vital expression of our whole being, but it is more or less relegated to the purely biological sphere. The apparent exaltation of the body can quickly turn into a hatred of bodiliness. Christian faith, on the other hand, has always considered man a unity in duality, a reality in which spirit and matter compenetrate, and in which each is brought to a new nobility. True, eros tends to rise “in ecstasy” towards the Divine, to lead us beyond ourselves; yet for this very reason it calls for a path of ascent, renunciation, purification and healing.
w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est.html
 
I “fell in love” last year (I wonder why does this dead metaphor uses falling imagery?), and I would describe it as every aspect of your being, such as your mind, emotions, and will, operating together for the sake of that person. This makes sense, as Jesus says that we should love God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength: have them all work for the sake of one goal: God’s will (“if you love me you will keep my commandments”).

I started studying more so that I could get a better career, and make more money, so that she could have a better lifestyle. I abandoned my wicked sexual habits, for the sake of chasity and faithfulness to her. I began to pray for her sake, which got me praying more. I opened up much more to people in general, and esspecially to her, for her sake.

Now, it is definitely true that there was a sexual component. But sexual attraction is good, and only becomes bad when perverted: sex creates these wonderful things called children, which is a cornerstone of the family. It also brings us in communion with the beloved. My sexual attraction to her, when it was working with my other aspects, such as my mind, which with its knowledge knew that it was not good for her wellbeing if I became sexually active with her, became integrated and worked for her benefit: I would wait until marriage, where it would then be good for her to have relations.

My imagination worked for her benefit: I create pieces of art and poetry for her. Everything that is me started to be for the sake of her and her wellbeing.

And the joy my spirit felt! It was not a burden to do even the hardest and most miserable things for her, rather, such tasks I would once had groaned at became wonderful to do: I was doing them for my beloved! 😊

As you can see here, there is a clear danger that one might turn the beloved into an idol. You might also forget the person is a fallen human and not perfect.

I find that many men found this romantic drive, and focused it on the Blessed Mother, giving us all the beautiful Marian devotion in the past and present. The same thing goes for Christ. Have you ever read St. Francis? He had a romantic relationship with God. In fact, the Mystics’ favor analogy for understanding God’s relationship with us is that of a passionate married couple (read the Song of Solomon). We often call Christ the bridegroom, and the Church the bride, for example. Oh, we were made for God’s joy and Grace, just as a man is made for a woman and a woman is made for a man! God created us in that we each reflect an different aspect of God: we are created to love God and neighbor in an unique way that no one else can! This is why a damned soul is such a loss…

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
Is there really a way to **know **the right person or is it something developed over time?
You have to subject your feelings to your rational thoughts. You cannot - should not - trust your feelings to guide you. You must take a critical approach to the person, and to the relationship.

So you don’t so much “know” that it’s the right person - you should *decide *that it’s the right person.

This doesn’t sound very romantic, does it? But it is neccessary. And it is a process - yes, it develops over time - the romance and the discernment go hand in hand during the dating process. But keep guard - until you are married, the romance must always remain subjected to rational decisions.
 
Are conventional ideas practical in considering love? For example: always having that person on your mind, being extremely happy, “they walked in the room and right away I knew” and other stuff like that.
Lucretius and GigglyGiraffe are correct.
Please don’t fall for the conventional wisdom regarding love. It is all messed up.

You can become infatuated with someone rapidly,and be unable to concentrate on anything but him or her, be unable to focus, be miserable when not with them, etc. It’s kind of like having the flu, and makes you about as productive.

When you get over that, you may develop a more mature love, which is a choice. You choose to will that person’s good above your own. And you choose to stick with that decision whatever happens, in sickness and in health, and so on. (Of course you still have to keep your wits about you, and if you’ve made a mistake in someone’s character, you may have to leave them for the sake of your own soul or your children’s)

But generally speaking, love is a choice that a mature person makes. Those feelings of romance, they will vanish. Which is why Hollywood-type folks go from one marriage partner to another, they’re looking for those feelings, which are not even intended to last.
 
I “fell in love” last year (I wonder why does this dead metaphor uses falling imagery?), and I would describe it as every aspect of your being, such as your mind, emotions, and will, operating together for the sake of that person. This makes sense, as Jesus says that we should love God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength: have them all work for the sake of one goal: God’s will (“if you love me you will keep my commandments”).

I started studying more so that I could get a better career, and make more money, so that she could have a better lifestyle. I abandoned my wicked sexual habits, for the sake of chasity and faithfulness to her. I began to pray for her sake, which got me praying more. I opened up much more to people in general, and esspecially to her, for her sake.

Now, it is definitely true that there was a sexual component. But sexual attraction is good, and only becomes bad when perverted: sex creates these wonderful things called children, which is a cornerstone of the family. It also brings us in communion with the beloved. My sexual attraction to her, when it was working with my other aspects, such as my mind, which with its knowledge knew that it was not good for her wellbeing if I became sexually active with her, became integrated and worked for her benefit: I would wait until marriage, where it would then be good for her to have relations.

My imagination worked for her benefit: I create pieces of art and poetry for her. Everything that is me started to be for the sake of her and her wellbeing.

And the joy my spirit felt! It was not a burden to do even the hardest and most miserable things for her, rather, such tasks I would once had groaned at became wonderful to do: I was doing them for my beloved! 😊

As you can see here, there is a clear danger that one might turn the beloved into an idol. You might also forget the person is a fallen human and not perfect.

I find that many men found this romantic drive, and focused it on the Blessed Mother, giving us all the beautiful Marian devotion in the past and present. The same thing goes for Christ. Have you ever read St. Francis? He had a romantic relationship with God. In fact, the Mystics’ favor analogy for understanding God’s relationship with us is that of a passionate married couple (read the Song of Solomon). We often call Christ the bridegroom, and the Church the bride, for example. Oh, we were made for God’s joy and Grace, just as a man is made for a woman and a woman is made for a man! God created us in that we each reflect an different aspect of God: we are created to love God and neighbor in an unique way that no one else can! This is why a damned soul is such a loss…

Christi pax,

Lucretius
This is a beautiful description of a man’s love for a woman. I wish that more romance stories could be written like this!
 
Is there really a way to **know **the right person or is it something developed over time?
I’m only 20 years old, but from the wisdom taken on faith from what the wise tell me, and little of my own reasoning, only a wise man at the end of his life (or a wise woman at the end of hers) will be able to discern relatively correctly who would be the best spouse for him/her.

I don’t want you to dispair, but most of the “choosing” is already done for you. Your location, social class, financial situation, race, and sex all have limited who you will probably end up. Coupled with the immaturity of youth (ignorance, sentimentality, etc.), you are probably not going to pick the best person. You might pick a comparable person, but not the best. There is a reason that traditional society have elders arrange marriages: it avoids many of the problems I just mentioned. Studies show arranged marriages are happier (unless they were politically motivated).

When someone says that they just “know,” more often than not, it is a politically correct way of saying “I’m acting on impulse” or “I’m reacting under cultural pressure.” It is the sentimentality of the age. As another has said, it ends up not in divorce only by accident, by pure luck.

I know for us men at least, we are always “hunting” for the ideal woman. We stick to the best we’ve found, but once we find one better, like say the young college age girl next door, we can be seriously tempted to go after the “better” girl. I think this is also why, in history, it is virtually always men who have multiple wives in history, rather than women having multiple husbands.

So, if you want to take the advise of an immature 20 year old :cool: I would say that, mirroring what I experienced above, it’s okay for a relationship, at least at its start, to be grounded mostly in romantic feelings and inflatuation. You just want to make sure that there is something each of you have that will stabilize the relationship too: something that doesn’t fluctuate like emotions or sex :eek: (My parents’ relationship is based mostly on sex, and once they got older and had three children, everyone in my family has suffered from it. Avoid fornication: its lures blind you from reality, and keep you in a bad relationship).

You also have to make sure you don’t lose yourself to the other person: don’t abandon yourself and become what she wants you to be (I use “she” because I am a young man), rather take what you are and use that for the sake of her wellbeing. It might turn out, if you “be yourself,” rather than “someone else,” that you two are not compatible. If you are “someone else” though, she might love the mask, and if you as yourself are not compatible with her, this sort of relationship is not only bad for you, but even worse, it will ultimately break the other person’s heart, and waste her time.

Here: ewtn.com/library/MARRIAGE/3GETMARR.TXT

One more piece of advise: your “soulmate” is your spouse. Once you get married, there is no “I am actually suppose to be with her!” She is the one you are one flesh with, and she is the one you are destined to be with (a generalization, of course. There are complications).

(“Soulmate” is that is actually a Platonic term, not a Christian one. The pagans thought that we were originally one body with our “soulmate,” but the gods split us apart for our sins against them. So, intercourse is a kind of punishment, an attempt to fix what is broken.

The Christian view, however, sees love as a life giving choice, and that this choice between the two make them “soulmates” (you choose your soulmate: he/she is not preassigned), which the “ritual” to make two one ends in the marriage bed, with the two becoming one flesh. Marriage is a growth in a living thing, not the hasty repair of a dead thing. This is what Benedict’s Deus est Caritas is about).

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
This is a beautiful description of a man’s love for a woman. I wish that more romance stories could be written like this!
Really? I thought that it illustrated the dangers of romance, although I will admit that there was definitely a flowering love of mine growing out of that dirty soil of inflatuation 😊

Maybe I should write and sell romance novels? (and I’m a guy :eek: )

We are fallen beings, so our love might have aspects to it that are less than noble, but we need to live with/ overcome those with Grace and higher motives.

For example, I might want to be with her in part because my animalistic side wants to satisfy my sex drive, and if I were to act on that alone, fragmenting that part of me from the other parts, it becomes a sin. But when it is order to the wellbeing of yourself (with all aspects of your being working in integrated unison) and, more importantly, the wellbeing of her (with her self not becoming divide either), with the Natural Law (a Thomist such as myself would say “when the lower appetites are ordered with the upper appetites”) and the Divine Law, the base desire (as if base desires were evil :rolleyes: ) becomes a noble and Holy thing (marriage is a sacrament). Remember, sex is a good: only when it is not integrated with the rest of the self does it operate in an evil way (notice I didn’t even say sex becomes evil, just used in an evil way: the sex stays good, but the intentions of my soul become evil).

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
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