Love, Sex and wanting to get married

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Imcrae
Your first priority should be to get married so that while you are raising the children in the Faith you are setting a good example for them.
Praise be, it’s not me who is in the situation - however, under the circumstances, they have to work with what they have. How old should the children be, by the time they start to be trained in the faith? Like it or not, they are already being trained in a faith, and by the time all of the Tribunal stuff (1-2 years) and marriage prep stuff (6 months to a year) gets finished (not to mention RCIA classes for the man), the kids could be well on their way down the wrong path, if they aren’t given guidance when they are still young enough to be able to easily change direction.
As they grow older and learn right from wrong they are going to know that something is not right.
They already know that. Kids aren’t stupid.
 
Take it step by step. Work with a good priest.

One thing you can do (with their father’s permission) is ask to have the children baptized, and start to train them in the Catholic faith, even though you and he are not yet able to partake of the Sacraments.

There is no reason to deny the children a good Catholic formation right away, while you and your partner are working out the details with a good priest on how to bring your situation to a good resolution (ideally, his conversion, and a valid marriage ceremony for the two of you).
I wanted to make sure my children would be baptised, as I explained to my partner it is one of the tools a person needs to create a good foundation for their life 🙂

Although he is baptised (Anglican), my partners family never really had anything to do with church outside of that, so his knowledge of faith is limited and his interest is low (for now, I’m working on that too)

However… He was married before! :eek:
I don’t believe his ex-wife was baptised, but I am not sure - if she was, that would be a valid marriage wouldn’t it? They were married in the Anglican church… I did ask the pastor at the church, and I know in the Anglican faith he would be allowed to remarry after requesting permission from the bishop, but how does that affect me? 🤷

I have never been married, would that mean my marriage would never be seen as valid? Would I be okay to move forward, but not him?
 
Imcrae
Your first priority should be to get married so that while you are raising the children in the Faith you are setting a good example for them.

As they grow older and learn right from wrong they are going to know that something is not right.

Remember that the only thing matters is that we go to Heaven when we die.

Nothing else in this world matters.

Antrim
I think this was meant for me Antrim…

As I stated, I am not unmarried by choice, it really is a matter of finance which we are working on but it takes time.

I don’t know really what you mean about them ‘knowing something isn’t right’.

Unlike their cousins and many of the other children they will meet in this neighbourhood, their parents will be together, and the same! They will witness two people who love and respect each other and treat each other with dignity, not cheat and abuse one another.

Fortunately (or unfortunately in some cases), children accept what they see and experience as the correct way to live. Children of broken homes just accept it because they know no different sadly.

My children are two and a half and nine months old right now so they don’t really understand the concept of marriage and would not be able to understand the difference between marriage and cohabiting just yet - I know they will eventually and I am already preparing for my talk with them on that day. 🙂
 
Praise be, it’s not me who is in the situation - however, under the circumstances, they have to work with what they have. How old should the children be, by the time they start to be trained in the faith? Like it or not, they are already being trained in a faith, and by the time all of the Tribunal stuff (1-2 years) and marriage prep stuff (6 months to a year) gets finished (not to mention RCIA classes for the man), the kids could be well on their way down the wrong path, if they aren’t given guidance when they are still young enough to be able to easily change direction.

They already know that. Kids aren’t stupid.
jmcrae - can you tell me in a nutshell what the Tribunal stuff is all about, or the preocess? I will go to the priest for more in depth discussion obviously, but I would just like to know roughly what I have ahead of me?

Catholic school starts in kindergarten in Australia, I don’t know if that’s the same everywhere, so for me it is comforting to know that within a year or two they will be experiencing life within the Catholic community on a daily basis with a group of peers they will go through their 12 years of school with, in addition to my efforts as a parent.

That is what I had, it is remembering that safe and supportive environment which helped pull me back 😃
 
Although he is baptised (Anglican), my partners family never really had anything to do with church outside of that, so his knowledge of faith is limited and his interest is low (for now, I’m working on that too)

However… He was married before! :eek:
I don’t believe his ex-wife was baptised, but I am not sure - if she was, that would be a valid marriage wouldn’t it? They were married in the Anglican church… I did ask the pastor at the church, and I know in the Anglican faith he would be allowed to remarry after requesting permission from the bishop, but how does that affect me? 🤷

I have never been married, would that mean my marriage would never be seen as valid? Would I be okay to move forward, but not him?
There are valid marriages and there are sacramental marriages. All sacramental marriages are valid. Marriages between two baptized persons are sacramental. But the Catholic Church also permits marriages between baptized and non-baptized persons. This would be an example of valid, non-sacramental marriage. This is an important distinction that could affect your case. Since you have never been married you are free to marry in the Catholic Church. Since your boyfriend was married previously, he may or may not be free to marry you in the Catholic Church. If his prior marriage is valid, he is not free to marry you in the Catholic Church. A determination on that has to be made by your local Catholic marriage tribunal. (It’s irrelevant if the Anglicans consider him free to marry.) Your local Catholic priest should be able to help you. Also, your diocese may have a website describing this process with frequently asked questions.
 
Hi,

My questions are of a similar nature, and they seem to fit into this title…

I was born and raised Catholic, but after high school fell away in a very hard way from the Church. I have only recently started to find my way back, which has been difficult as I have had to basically ‘rewire’ my thinking on a lot of things, I am still working on it.

Anyway, I have 2 small children and a non-Catholic partner now.

We are not married, only through financial reasons, we want to marry but can’t afford the licence.
We live as we are married with our children, and consider ourselves spouses, we have committed to each other but at the end of the day, we are still not married.

I can’t really confess this, as I continue to live this way, and while my partner understands my search for the Truth, he does not believe, and cannot accept us not being intimate since we already have a family. His family is not Catholic, but he is willing for me to baptise our children and bring them up in the faith.

I feel confused and a bit lost as to what I do from here, just looking for some advice or thoughts…
My wife was much like you and I like your man.

I fought the Catholic Church with my annulment from a previous and then I fought the Catholic Church on many other things. In the end I became Catholic in my heart and soul and not just name. We lived as a married couple without the church’s blessing until I came around. But what if I never came around?

My wife who was raised Catholic and was trying to live as a Catholic after falling away went to many churches to meet with priests. She was told many things and each priest was different. This left her more complexed and searching. she eventually picked up the Catechism of the Catholic Church and read that for answers with lots of prayer. She eventually made the hard choice to follow the priest that told her to live as brother and sister until the Church gives it’s blessing and my annulment was completed.

I look back and now see that as the best advice. But when I was working through this with my wife I did not agree. It is a rough road on this journey to Heaven and involves a lot of sacrifice. I can only begin to imagine the sacrifices God made in the person of Jesus.
 
Bextah

If you are not married by the time the kids grow older and they learn right from wrong if you continue to live with your partner you are giving scandal and bad example.

If finance is the problem then live apart untill you have the money to get married.

You cant have it both ways.

Say the Rosary daily and ask our Blessed Mother to help you.

Think of this.

If you were to die while having Sex with your partner and you are not married in the Catholic Church. Where do you think you would spend eternity?

There is no deneying that.

Antrim
 
confirmation is valid…

consult a good priest and schedule a retreat or recollection that is very solemn, maybe in that way they can get a good answer from God.

God Bless!
 
Bextah

If you are not married by the time the kids grow older and they learn right from wrong if you continue to live with your partner you are giving scandal and bad example.

If finance is the problem then live apart untill you have the money to get married.

You cant have it both ways.

Say the Rosary daily and ask our Blessed Mother to help you.

Think of this.

If you were to die while having Sex with your partner and you are not married in the Catholic Church. Where do you think you would spend eternity?

There is no deneying that.

Antrim
I appreciate what you are saying, I don’t know how things work where you are…

We were living apart when I first decided to move back towards the Church, I had decided to get my own place, however the government doesn’t believe me!

They don’t believe that I would live apart from the father of my children or live as brother and sister if we were still in a relationship and committed to getting married eventually - so they started an investigation against me for fraud since I had been recieving welfare.

So, I couldn’t afford not to be on welfare if I lived alone so we moved back in together - money is still insanely tight but it’s my only option.

So I am not sure by what you mean by I can’t have it both ways? I feel like I am stuck at every turn right now, it’s very hard…

You don’t need to try and scare me with the threat of Hell, I am doing all I can to make my way back 😦
 
jmcrae - can you tell me in a nutshell what the Tribunal stuff is all about, or the preocess? I will go to the priest for more in depth discussion obviously, but I would just like to know roughly what I have ahead of me?
The Tribunal is a group of three judges whose job it is to discern whether your fiancé’s previous marriage was valid, or not.

How they discern this is by interviewing all of the people who were involved in the first wedding, or as many of them as they can track down. They ask them what the state of mind of the couple appeared to be, what words were said in the vows, and conversations about the marriage (ie: did they talk about having kids, did they talk about what the roles of man and woman are, in a marriage, and things like that.)

If they discern that his previous marriage was valid, then there is nothing you can do for yourself, but you can help your kids - your kids can be Catholics, but you can’t. The reason is that you are living with a man who is married to someone else until death they do part. (If his former wife dies, then he is off the hook, and you can go back to the Tribunal with the information that she has died, and then they would verify that with copies of the death certificate, etc., and then they would give you permission to take marriage preparation classes.)

If they discern that his previous marriage was not valid, then they would ascertain that he was not the reason for the marriage being null (if he was, then he would have to solve whatever the problem is, before he would be given permission to consider himself single and available.) After this, they issue him a certificate paper that is called a Declaration of Nullity, which is a paper that says he is a single man who is free to marry. He would then be allowed to start dating you with romantic intentions (but not living with you, yet).

The Tribunal process typically takes about a year or so, and the most common outcome is that they find the marriage to have not been valid. The reason so many marriages today are not valid are because so many couples go into marriage with the intention of limiting the number of children they have, or else they see their spouse as something other than a partner and equal (she will be my student; he will be the father/brother I always wanted, etc.) However, it’s important not to jump ahead of things with the assumption that you will automatically be granted a Declaration of Nullity, because in five percent of cases, the broken marriage is found to have been valid.
Catholic school starts in kindergarten in Australia, I don’t know if that’s the same everywhere, so for me it is comforting to know that within a year or two they will be experiencing life within the Catholic community on a daily basis with a group of peers they will go through their 12 years of school with, in addition to my efforts as a parent.
That is what I had, it is remembering that safe and supportive environment which helped pull me back 😃
Let us all pray that your children have a safe and happy Catholic childhood. 🙂
 
I dont know what type of wedding you want to have but let me tell you my story real quick.

My wife and I met never knew each other before that…We went together eleven months and got married because we wanted to have sex and wanted to save our Souls.

We had no money. All we had was a breakfast after we took our Vows.

That was 52 years ago.

Helen died on the 2nd of September. R I P

Back in those days not very many people lived together without being married. It just was not done.
I have a lot of trouble with how people are living their lives today. They are not iiving by God’s law.
The reason they are not getting married is because they are having Sex without it. If they would live by the law of God and not have sex they would get married no matter what and make things work out. WE did.
I dont know what the future holds for me but if I should meet someone down the road and fall in love. I would not do anything sinfull.
We men have a moral obligation to not cause the woman to commit sin. We must protect them and their Souls.

Antrim
 
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