Love, Unity, Binity and Trinity

[WonderAndAwe]

An odd question, but is there a reason why God couldn’t be a Binity (2 Persons, 1 God) that uses the nature of perfect Divine Love?

I’ve read that the argument against a Unitarian God (1 Person, 1 God) is due to the veiled that His Love for us had a measurable beginning and a time before it started likely before our inception in His Mind, and due to the Trinity accounting for the 3 parts of Love (Lover, Beloved and the shared Love between Them) having existed since Infinity before Creation.

So why couldn’t God be Biune? Or even a Biune being at all?

And honestly, the more I think about this, the more it stops being a philosophical look at Love and more a complex math equation factoring intigers and other math terms, like remainders, prime numbers etc. I’m actually thinking of how 2 and 3 are Prime numbers but 2 is the only even Prime while 1 isn’t even Prime and other odd math facts about those three numbers as I type this :lol

 

[Vico]

An odd question, but is there a reason why God couldn’t be a Binity (2 Persons, 1 God) that uses the nature of perfect Divine Love?

I’ve read that the argument against a Unitarian God (1 Person, 1 God) is due to the veiled that His Love for us had a measurable beginning and a time before it started likely before our inception in His Mind, and due to the Trinity accounting for the 3 parts of Love (Lover, Beloved and the shared Love between Them) having existed since Infinity before Creation.

So why couldn’t God be Biune? Or even a Biune being at all?

And honestly, the more I think about this, the more it stops being a philosophical look at Love and more a complex math equation factoring intigers and other math terms, like remainders, prime numbers etc. I’m actually thinking of how 2 and 3 are Prime numbers but 2 is the only even Prime while 1 isn’t even Prime and other odd math facts about those three numbers as I type this :lol

It is because of the *real relations *that there are three persons, no more, no less. There are four real relations of paternity, filiation, spiration, and procession. One of the two processions in God, that of love, has no proper name of its own so the notional name Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit is given. (Read about it in Summa Theologica of St. Thomas Aquinas.)

 

[Karen107]

Because God is triune it lets us know and experience God… Take one person of God out of this and there is no salvation for there is no really knowing God either. We’d be trapped in our world with no hope of ever going to heaven…God The Father made us, the Son redeems us and the Holy Spirit keeps us in His Glory…

 

[Karen107]

And honestly, the more I think about this, the more it stops being a philosophical look at Love and more a complex math equation factoring intigers and other math terms, like remainders, prime numbers etc. I’m actually thinking of how 2 and 3 are Prime numbers but 2 is the only even Prime while 1 isn’t even Prime and other odd math facts about those three numbers as I type this :lol

As a garderner I learned to always plant things in odd numbers because it is more pleasing and beautiful to the eye. So I plant in 3s not 2s…Remember beauty cannot be measured and either can God.:flowers:

 

[seagal]

An odd question, but is there a reason why God couldn’t be a Binity (2 Persons, 1 God) that uses the nature of perfect Divine Love?

I’ve read that the argument against a Unitarian God (1 Person, 1 God) is due to the veiled that His Love for us had a measurable beginning and a time before it started likely before our inception in His Mind, and due to the Trinity accounting for the 3 parts of Love (Lover, Beloved and the shared Love between Them) having existed since Infinity before Creation.

So why couldn’t God be Biune? Or even a Biune being at all?

And honestly, the more I think about this, the more it stops being a philosophical look at Love and more a complex math equation factoring intigers and other math terms, like remainders, prime numbers etc. I’m actually thinking of how 2 and 3 are Prime numbers but 2 is the only even Prime while 1 isn’t even Prime and other odd math facts about those three numbers as I type this :lol

Certainly God could have been a Unitarian or binitarian God. But the fact is that he revealed himself as trinity. We can look to scripture to see the evidence of that. Do you have any reason other than your fascination with numbers to think that this isn’t so?

PS, I like that word “binity”. Did you make it up?

 

[thinkandmull]

It is because of the *real relations *that there are three persons, no more, no less. There are four real relations of paternity, filiation, spiration, and procession. One of the two processions in God, that of love, has no proper name of its own so the notional name Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit is given. (Read about it in Summa Theologica of St. Thomas Aquinas.)

Wouldn’t there be 6 relations. Father to Son, Son to Father, Father to Holy Ghost, Holy Ghost to Father, Son to Holy Ghost, Holy Ghost to Son

 

[Vico]

Wouldn’t there be 6 relations. Father to Son, Son to Father, Father to Holy Ghost, Holy Ghost to Father, Son to Holy Ghost, Holy Ghost to Son

That would require three actions rather than two having internal processions in God. But there are two only internal processions: one derived from the action of the intellect (the Word procession) and the other from the action of the will (the love procession). So with each of these internal processions two opposite relations arise, which gives a total of four.

 

[thinkandmull]

How can God use His reason more greatly in one procession and less in the other?

 

[Vico]

How can God use His reason more greatly in one procession and less in the other?

Because intellect and will differ from one another:

• the intellect understands something when there is a likeness of the thing in the intellect for it to ponder
• the will wills something because it tends towards that thing (not like intellect, pondering)

 

[thinkandmull]

But the Holy Ghost is only spirated through the loving , so Aquinas says “whereby the thing loved is in the lover”.

 

[thinkandmull]

So the procession of the Holy Spirit is a more loving thing then the Son’s generation?

Aquinas has some explaining to do

 

[Vico]

So the procession of the Holy Spirit is a more loving thing then the Son’s generation?

Aquinas has some explaining to do

The two processions are based, one each, on intellect and will. There cannot be one without the other, and the spiration is immediate from the Father and mediate through the Son.

 

[thinkandmull]

Love resides more in the will, so it would seem a Son would proceed more from love than Holy Ghost would

 

[thinkandmull]

I mean, why call the Son the Son. Aquinas argues because it is from the intellect. But sonship is primarily about love, which is in the will. Any help?

 

[thinkandmull]

Very deep

 

[Karen107]

I mean, why call the Son the Son. Aquinas argues because it is from the intellect. But sonship is primarily about love, which is in the will. Any help?

The Trinity is a family of God. God the Father, God the Son, which we share into the sonship with, and the Holy Spirit (giver of life) who unifies us with God because God is spirit so shall we be one day…, and we also have a Mother… Because we share in the Sonship with Jesus who is our brother so Mary is our Mother as the Mother of Our Lord… Out of the three came life, or us…as the fruit of Gods loving Family…Who will one day be home with the Father in heaven, with Our Mother and Our Brother and the rest of our brothers and sisters who are the Children of God…

 

[Vico]

I mean, why call the Son the Son. Aquinas argues because it is from the intellect. But sonship is primarily about love, which is in the will. Any help?

Because Son is the Image and Word and has all that the Father has except for being the Father. The Holy Spirit proceeds as the unitive love of both the Father and the Son. (Divine love is not passion as in humans.)

 

[hasantas]

An odd question, … :lol

We have not so complex problems with God. God is one and unique. God loves His creatures all as His art.

If God is one then why to insist at saying that God is three in one!!! I mentioned very times that there is no any valid and explicit statements in Gospels about that subject. Jesus never claimed such thing directly. But there are some strained interpretations to prove that Jesus was son of God.

Math does not accept that : 1+1+1=1??? (But if some say 1x1x1=1 then I will say 1x1x1x1x1x1x…1=1 So do we have countless gods?)

If you assume God as three persons in one personality then non theory can explain that. And we cannot compose three eternal gods in one personality. I can tell many conflicts about that. So people always will have question and propblems which are not possible to solve.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

An odd question, but is there a reason why God couldn’t be a Binity (2 Persons, 1 God) that uses the nature of perfect Divine Love?

I’ve read that the argument against a Unitarian God (1 Person, 1 God) is due to the veiled that His Love for us had a measurable beginning and a time before it started likely before our inception in His Mind, and due to the Trinity accounting for the 3 parts of Love (Lover, Beloved and the shared Love between Them) having existed since Infinity before Creation.

So why couldn’t God be Biune? Or even a Biune being at all?

And honestly, the more I think about this, the more it stops being a philosophical look at Love and more a complex math equation factoring intigers and other math terms, like remainders, prime numbers etc. I’m actually thinking of how 2 and 3 are Prime numbers but 2 is the only even Prime while 1 isn’t even Prime and other odd math facts about those three numbers as I type this :lol

If God wanted to, He could have been a unity, a bi-unity, a trinity or a quad-unity for that matter (eg. Father, Mother, Son, Holy Spirit - for the sake of conjecture).

But He chose the Trinity. And then He let us know about it via Revelation and Jesus Christ.

End of story.

 

[Richca]

I mean, why call the Son the Son. Aquinas argues because it is from the intellect. But sonship is primarily about love, which is in the will. Any help?

St John begins his gospel with “In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” This Word, of course, is the Son of God, Jesus Christ our Saviour " who was made flesh and dwelt among us." A word proceeds from the mind or intellect so the procession of the Son of God is from the Father’s intellect. We can’t love what we do not know so the second person of the Trinity is the Son who is the Image of the Father. Simultaneously, the procession of the Holy Spirit is the Love the Father and Son have for each other. It can be said that the Father loves the Son by the Holy Spirit and the Son loves the Father by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is spirated by both the Father and the Son together.