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Hello everybody, today I was trying to explain to my friend about what Jesus said on the sermon on the mount. And he refuted with “When you’re taught to love everyone, to love your enemies, then what value does that place on love?”

And well it left me baffled, even though i replied, that Jesus said, “if oyu only love those who love you, what reward is there in that.”

But he said that didnt make sense…So i could appreciate any help on this matter. Thanks everybody. 🙂
 
Hello everybody, today I was trying to explain to my friend about what Jesus said on the sermon on the mount. And he refuted with “When you’re taught to love everyone, to love your enemies, then what value does that place on love?”

And well it left me baffled, even though i replied, that Jesus said, “if oyu only love those who love you, what reward is there in that.”

But he said that didnt make sense…So i could appreciate any help on this matter. Thanks everybody. 🙂
It doesn’t make sense if you think about “love” in human terms rather than in God’s terms. God’s definition of “love” is very different from ours. Love is not an emotion. It is an act of the will - a decision. God’s definition of “love” is to want and do what is necessary for the other person’s salvation. And to treat others better than they deserve (the way He treats us better than we deserve). Love is not an emotion such as a warm-fuzzy feeling. If that was the case, it would be absurd to think we could love our enemies. God does not expect us to have warm-fuzzy feelings about our enemies. God expects us to want and do what is necessary for that enemy’s salvation and to treat them better than they deserve. We are not to foil anyone’s chances of salvation, even our enemies. This is out the commandment “love thy neighbor” is possible. We are expected to help our neighbors get to heaven wehther we like them or not. This is how we “love”.

Now that you understand the definition of “love”, doesn’t it seem more possible to love our enemies? Jesus would never ask us to do anything we weren’t physically capable of doing. We are not physically capable of having warm-fuzzy feelings for those who have offended us or hurt us. But we are required to help them get to heaven in any way we can.
 
Hello everybody, today I was trying to explain to my friend about what Jesus said on the sermon on the mount. And he refuted with “When you’re taught to love everyone, to love your enemies, then what value does that place on love?”

And well it left me baffled, even though i replied, that Jesus said, “if oyu only love those who love you, what reward is there in that.”

But he said that didnt make sense…So i could appreciate any help on this matter. Thanks everybody. 🙂
I think it is worthwhile to refer to the description of Love from the Bible:

1 Corinthians, Chapter 13: “Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails.”

If one only Loves friends, is one truly Loving?
 
It’s very difficult in this world where everyone competes with each other for money, possessions, and ego-gratification to love as we ought, especially when we consider that we’re often caught up in the very same competition, vying for the same things ourselves instead of striving to please God first. But God really does love us unconditionally, knowing our ignorance and weaknesses, forgiving our sins. He loves us with an unimaginably powerful love, warm fuzzies and all included IMO. Love is central to Christian teaching; it’s actually what makes us just. So Gods purpose is to elevate us-to mold us into beings who love as He does-and it doesn’t happen overnight.
 
The premise of your friend appears to be that love is only good if it is restricted. If you spread it around it cheapens it. That might be true for some things, but not everything and especially not love.

Try that same statement with happiness - I don’t want to cheapen my happiness so I’m only going to be happy with certain people, or at certain times. Does that sound reasonable? Wouldn’t we want to be happy whenever and wherever possible?

And then how much more true would that be of love? Especially agape love - selfless love - which is what Jesus calls us to (A new commandment I give you, that you love one another as I have loved you. Jn13:34)

As others have noted, agape love is not an emotion, it is a decision, to care for/about every person. A challenge, but a wonderful one.
 
Hello everybody, today I was trying to explain to my friend about what Jesus said on the sermon on the mount. And he refuted with “When you’re taught to love everyone, to love your enemies, then what value does that place on love?”

And well it left me baffled, even though i replied, that Jesus said, “if you only love those who love you, what reward is there in that.”

But he said that didnt make sense…So i could appreciate any help on this matter. Thanks everybody. 🙂
I admit that this would probably have caught me off guard as well, but upon reflection I think the best answer is this.

It places the highest possible value on Love. It makes Love the core value of our lives. With such Love there can be no wars because there can be no one willing to kill. With such Love there is no crime for each respects the other.
Such Love, even when it is not requited, when we must suffer for it, remains perfect. The rarest of all gems who’s beauty cannot be diminished. It remains the fullest expression of what God desires of us His Children.

Love is only cheapened when it is hoarded - hold it too tightly and it suffocates.

Peace
James
 
“Love your enemies.” hmmmmm

IMHO, one of the best examples of this would be St. Francis when he met with the sultan of Egypt. It was his goal to convert the sultan, so he didn’t come with swords nor words of denigration or hate. I don’t think he went fuzzy and warm with the sultan as well, but he treated him with respect. He even offered his own life to prove the Truth he was speaking.

What did he get in return?

He secured permission to visit Sacred places in the Holy Land and even preach there. It was also reported that the sultan secretly converted on his deathbed.

Love of enemies can lead to conversion, reconciliation, and, of course, peace… 🙂
 
Love is not something that you are to give out sparingly to those you think deserve it. That is contradictory to love. Loving means wanting the best for others. Christ was not talking about the romantic love, he was speaking about agape which is what we are to have for everyone. If you look out for everyone and want the best for all, then you are living life to the fullest and truly living out kindness. It seems that your friend comes from the opinion that you are supposed to get something back from love. But the people in the world that have had the most value in life, are the most admired, and are the most famous are those who have lived their life with love while expecting nothing in return. The more you love, the more value a person has. It is the loving people who I remember the best their lives are the most important and the ones that have had the most impact. “If I have no love, I am nothing.” Love isn’t money. Its value isn’t measured in how much is in circulation like money is. Love is to be freely given. If we are not to live our lives with love then what are we to do? What greater thing is there that we should devote our lives to? If your friend has no faith in love and helping others, then what is the point in anything. Life isn’t worth living without love. It’s that simple.
 
As I’m sure you have gathered from the responses so far, there is great concern that the term Love, as used in Scripture, be properly defined and understood. It is likely that is the problem in your conversation with your friend.

The best thing to do might be to draw out what his understanding of love is. How does he define it. Then you can begin to explain the Biblical concept of Love as taught by Christ.

The term most often translated as Love in the NT is the Greek, “Agape” and means:
***brotherly love, affection, good will, love, benevolence ***
As others have pointed out, this kind of Love is wanting the best for others. My guess is that this is not the way that your friend is thinking of Love. His thinking is more “modern” and less spiritual.

However, in looking up "Love" as defined on "Dictionary.com", the first two definitions of Love are:
1) a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person. 2) a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.
It is important to note here that “passionate”, used above, does not equal sexual passion. Sexual attraction is addressed in the third definition.

God calls us to have such “profoundly tender affection” towards others - even those who hate us. Such affection drives out hatred and replaces it with grief and sorrow and pity for the other person who, by their hatred of us, is placing their soul in jeopardy.
We may not be able to sit down and have coffee with these other people, we may not be able to do anything to change their minds, but we can Love them. We can pity them. We pray for them.

I know that much of this might not translate directly to your conversations, but I hope that some of what we are writing will help you. Trying to explain this to others is very difficult but it is also at the very heart of what makes us Christian.

Peace
James
 
Going back to the OP:
Hello everybody, today I was trying to explain to my friend about what Jesus said on the sermon on the mount. And he refuted with "When you’re taught to love everyone, to love your enemies, then what value does that place on love?’
And well it left me baffled, even though i replied, that Jesus said, “if oyu only love those who love you, what reward is there in that.”
But he said that didnt make sense…So i could appreciate any help on this matter. Thanks everybody. "
This is clearly a problem of confusing true love with infatuation. In Catholic theology, Love and Charity are synonyms: Doing what is best for others without expecting anything in return. Love is all about selfless service to others.

If you understand Love in this way, it makes it very easy to understand how you can love your enemy and even how its possible to dislike and love someone simultaneously. its also easy in this way to understand how God is pure love. Afterall, he gives freely to everyone, even though there is nothing he can receive in return.

In true love, both parties benefit. The object of the love gains something he or she needs. The one who loves does the will of God and benefits spiritually, especially when its not reciprocated love. Then its obvious that love is pure and that service is not being rendered simply to get something in return.
 
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