loved one in hell

[Shaolen]

A friend of mine posted this question

“Since its Sunday and with people going to church or for those who believe in heaven and hell. Would you be happy in heaven if a loved was in hell? Would it still be heaven then or hell for you?”

How would a catholic answer this question? I’ve heard answers in the past on catholic answers. Something to the effect of in heaven we will he in such a joyous state that it wont bother us?

 

[thenobes]

A friend of mine posted this question

“Since its Sunday and with people going to church or for those who believe in heaven and hell. Would you be happy in heaven if a loved was in hell? Would it still be heaven then or hell for you?”

How would a catholic answer this question? I’ve heard answers in the past on catholic answers. Something to the effect of in heaven we will he in such a joyous state that it wont bother us?

Rev 21:4
"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

peace
steve

 

[rcwitness]

Its a hard question to know the answer. But if someone is really in evident danger of hell and you have done your duty to witness the Truth of Christ to them, or sincerely sought reconciliation for failing to do so, we have faith that Christ removes our guilt and gives peace.

We also know that He is just and if we are truly ‘in His grace and Spirit’ we will not love the person who persistantly denied our Lord to the very end. NOT that we should know that in this age, but at our own death and moment of knowing Him fully.

 

[steve_b]

A friend of mine posted this question

"Since its Sunday and with people going to church or for those who believe in heaven and hell. Would you be happy in heaven if a loved was in hell?

Turn the question around .

Are you against natural consequences for actions we do
S:

Would it still be heaven then or hell for you?"

Would heaven be heaven if it was populated with exactly the same people (no change in them at all) that we have here on earth?
S:

How would a catholic answer this question? I’ve heard answers in the past on catholic answers. Something to the effect of in heaven we will he in such a joyous state that it wont bother us?

Those in heaven won’t see people and things in heaven the same way people and things are seen in this life.

 

[benjohnson]

Note: I’m Lutheran

As we understand it, we will know why Jesus judges those that go to hell per Revelation 20:12.

As God’s justice is perfect, we will be content.

 

[Mintaka]

The whole point of having a general judgment at the end of time, and not just the particular judgment particular people receive when they die, is that we will all know why and how Jesus judged every single person ever.

There aren’t going to be any secrets. We will know as we are known.

But yes, it’s very likely that anyone who has rejected God enough to go to Hell, will also make it very plain that he wouldn’t take Heaven if you gave it to him on a platter.

 

[fred_conty]

A friend of mine posted this question

“Since its Sunday and with people going to church or for those who believe in heaven and hell. Would you be happy in heaven if a loved was in hell? Would it still be heaven then or hell for you?”

How would a catholic answer this question? I’ve heard answers in the past on catholic answers. Something to the effect of in heaven we will he in such a joyous state that it wont bother us?

I believe it is just one of many mysteries which will be satisfactorily answered only when we reach heaven. Trust in Jesus supports us in this.

 

[Sparkythedog]

Are you against natural consequences for actions we do

If those consequences involve eternal torture for finite crimes then yes.

Would heaven be heaven if it was populated with exactly the same people (no change in them at all) that we have here on earth?

Sure, why not?

Those in heaven won’t see people and things in heaven the same way people and things are seen in this life.

One of the things that make me who I am is my empathy towards other people. I don’t want to know that anyone is suffering, especially people who I am close to. If I were in heaven enjoying eternal bliss with an all powerful being and at the same time was comfortable with the idea that some people would be suffering in the worst way for eternity, it wouldn’t be me anymore. It might look like me, but it would just be some kind of empty unfeeling husk.

 

[Christianus_Dei]

The point of Hell is more to give people who reject God a place to be in. That’s why it’s so bad, the source of joy, happiness, and pleasure is not there. But if they rejected God through their actions and were with him anyway, their free will would be violated.

 

[Sparkythedog]

The point of Hell is more to give people who reject God a place to be in. That’s why it’s so bad, the source of joy, happiness, and pleasure is not there. But if they rejected God through their actions and were with him anyway, their free will would be violated.

I thought God was omnipresent. If there are places where he doesn’t exist then he’s not omnipresent.

Why couldn’t an all powerful God make a nice place for people who don’t want to be a part of his religion to go.

 

[rcwitness]

I thought God was omnipresent. If there are places where he doesn’t exist then he’s not omnipresent.

Why couldn’t an all powerful God make a nice place for people who don’t want to be a part of his religion to go.

We are created in His image! It is God’s nature which is inseparable from us that fuels the fires of hell. There is no pleasure which can help these.

 

[Sparkythedog]

We are created in His image! It is God’s nature which is inseparable from us that fuels the fires of hell. There is no pleasure which can help these.

I don’t understand what you are trying to say here.

 

[thistle]

A friend of mine posted this question

“Since its Sunday and with people going to church or for those who believe in heaven and hell. Would you be happy in heaven if a loved was in hell? Would it still be heaven then or hell for you?”

How would a catholic answer this question? I’ve heard answers in the past on catholic answers. Something to the effect of in heaven we will he in such a joyous state that it wont bother us?

There is no suffering in Heaven.

 

[rcwitness]

I don’t understand what you are trying to say here.

We were created to be satisfied with Godliness. It is His nature which can complete our desires. It is His perfection that can give us life. To act against His nature is to bring His wrath on ourselves. There is no evading this. He made us and has come upon us, offering us His own life in eternity.

 

[truetofaith]

A friend of mine posted this question

“Since its Sunday and with people going to church or for those who believe in heaven and hell. Would you be happy in heaven if a loved was in hell? Would it still be heaven then or hell for you?”

How would a catholic answer this question? I’ve heard answers in the past on catholic answers. Something to the effect of in heaven we will he in such a joyous state that it wont bother us?

Like the song says, “No Tears in Heaven.”

Heaven is complete happiness for all eternity with Jesus in the Beatific Vision…so how could any sorrow be there.
Either we will not remember those loved ones who didn’t make it, or we will be shown the fairness of the reason they are not in Heaven.

 

[Loly_Maria]

I used to read a lot of writings by Saints, and IIRC there were some who said that the saints in Heaven will hate everyone in Hell and see their punishment as justice, even if they loved them when they were alive.

 

[truetofaith]

I thought God was omnipresent. If there are places where he doesn’t exist then he’s not omnipresent.

Why couldn’t an all powerful God make a nice place for people who don’t want to be a part of his religion to go.

Jesus died for our sins…it’s not that He wants us to be part of His religion…He wants us to love Him as He loves us.

He also made hell for murderers, rapists…etc. Why should they be happy?

 

[rcwitness]

I used to read a lot of writings by Saints, and IIRC there were some who said that the saints in Heaven will hate everyone in Hell and see their punishment as justice, even if they loved them when they were alive.

**Luke 14

“If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."**

 

[MaryT777]

Rev 21:4
"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

peace
steve

Exactly!~

 

[TK421]

A friend of mine posted this question

“Since its Sunday and with people going to church or for those who believe in heaven and hell. Would you be happy in heaven if a loved was in hell? Would it still be heaven then or hell for you?”

How would a catholic answer this question? I’ve heard answers in the past on catholic answers. Something to the effect of in heaven we will he in such a joyous state that it wont bother us?

In life, we sometimes witness either a dramatic fallout or gradual drifting & separation between two siblings, two friends, or even a parent and child, that they no longer have relations with each other. This is by far most common between two friends. In the case of a dramatic fallout, this severing of relations happens as a result of some kind of betrayal.

If somebody that you, at some point in time, held close to your heart in life turns out to have rejected God, then in Heaven, you will rightfully no longer see that person as a friend, parent, sibling, or child, but as a betrayer, both as a betrayer to God, and as a betrayer to other loved ones, and as a betrayer to you personally. Although there is no delight to be taken in the punishment of the wicked, you will not despair for them either. Earthly family & friend bonds may or may not persevere, but in Heaven, our family is infallible in love and loyalty. Our family in Heaven are those who have also united with God.